You are a liar. You keep referring to me as Trinitarian. You know I am not. That makes you a liar and on your way to hell unless you repent.
The issue being discussed in our current dialog is not the godhead, thus making your Trinitarian accusation that much more illogical. What you and I are debating is whether or not you and I have the power of remission of sins on our tongues. That question is not a trinity or oneness question.
The question at hand is whether or not you and I forgive sins or does Jesus Christ forgive sins?
By your theory a sinner could weep and repent, run into a baptismal pool screaming "
Jesus I repent! I have sinned against you and you alone!! I cry out for your mercy! I believe you died for me and rose again and that you are Lord! I give all to you now", and while he is screaming these words the pastor immerses him under the water without uttering one word. The convert comes up out of the water being filled with the Spirit and speaking in tongues. He begins to bear fruit of righteousness. He starts winning souls left and right. He is a humble man and greatly strengthens and encourages his brethren. He later becomes a missionary shaking the nations of the world. Finally he is captured by hostile foes of the gospel and is burned alive for the testimony of Christ.
As he stands before the throne, God says, "
I am sorry, but in spite of how much you loved me and I loved you, and how you selflessly gave your all for me and made me the center of everything, I must consign you to hell for eternity because when you got baptized the preacher forgot to say 'in Jesus' name'"
You essentially believe a similar scene is played out in Heaven every day many times over in the courtroom of heaven. You and many others are blasphemers and will be rejected at the judgment seat of Christ for teaching such as blasphemous doctrine.
The word "
remission" in
Acts 2:38 is literally translated "
forgiveness" in the Greek. We are baptized "
in order that" are sins can be
FORGIVEN. But some of you boldly proclaim on here the act of baptism mixed with your invocations somehow "
washes away sins". You are missing it! When a sinner repents and is buried with Christ, the baptism does not forgive him or take away his sins, neither do your words! Who then forgives them?
JESUS DOES! This is why they are baptized, so
JESUS can forgive them! And why does Jesus forgive them? Because the baptism itself was perfect? NO!! He forgives them because of their faith and repentance, because they are making him Lord!!
BTW your take on
John 15:3 should embarrass
YOU! HIS word is the cleansing word, not mine or yours. Furthermore you are not interpreting that verse in light of verses 1 and 2 where Jesus is speaking of purging already existing branches. You do not know how to interpret scripture.
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