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Old 07-22-2014, 01:09 PM
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Re: If You Have To Wear Make Up To Be Rejected...

The attitude and heart of one wearing, or not wearing makeup is what is most important, not the makeup itself.
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Old 07-23-2014, 08:28 AM
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Re: If You Have To Wear Make Up To Be Rejected...

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The attitude and heart of one wearing, or not wearing makeup is what is most important, not the makeup itself.
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Old 07-23-2014, 09:41 AM
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Where in the New Testament does it show God rejecting anyone because of how the outside of them looked?
You are correct that Jesus did not reject those that He encountered because of their outside appearance. He accepted the woman caught in the very act of adultery that had been dragged out into street ( probably not given time to make herself modest) but at the same time He did not turn away anyone for the sin they were currently living in such as the woman at the well. Does this mean that Jesus is okay with and will over look adultery and idolatry since He did not turn her away? No to say this would be nonsense. The reason that jesus did not turn any away for how they looked on the outside or for whatever sin they were living in was simply because they like everyone else in the world at that time were sinners and sinners sin but these were people that when confronted with Jesus were repenant and realized their need for Him. Sinners sin and a sinners lifstyle should not our standard not an excuse for how we want to live.
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Old 07-23-2014, 05:12 PM
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You are correct that Jesus did not reject those that He encountered because of their outside appearance. He accepted the woman caught in the very act of adultery that had been dragged out into street ( probably not given time to make herself modest) but at the same time He did not turn away anyone for the sin they were currently living in such as the woman at the well. Does this mean that Jesus is okay with and will over look adultery and idolatry since He did not turn her away? No to say this would be nonsense. The reason that jesus did not turn any away for how they looked on the outside or for whatever sin they were living in was simply because they like everyone else in the world at that time were sinners and sinners sin but these were people that when confronted with Jesus were repenant and realized their need for Him. Sinners sin and a sinners lifstyle should not our standard not an excuse for how we want to live.
I challenge you to find any New Testament scriptures where Jesus taught anything about a dress code or where any NT Christians are noted for their appearance being different from others.
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"We did not wear uniforms. The lady workers dressed in the current fashions of the day, ...silks...satins...jewels or whatever they happened to possess. They were very smartly turned out, so that they made an impressive appearance on the streets where a large part of our work was conducted in the early years.

"It was not until long after, when former Holiness preachers had become part of us, that strict plainness of dress began to be taught.

"Although Entire Sanctification was preached at the beginning of the Movement, it was from a Wesleyan viewpoint, and had in it very little of the later Holiness Movement characteristics. Nothing was ever said about apparel, for everyone was so taken up with the Lord that mode of dress seemingly never occurred to any of us."

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Old 07-23-2014, 06:08 PM
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Re: If You Have To Wear Make Up To Be Rejected...

I posted this earlier in the debate room. Just thought it may help here.




We have a choice to live under the O.T. law to find our dress codes or Walk in the Spirit to get them from the Lord. If thoughtfully applied in our lives, the N.T. dress codes should be at least as strict as the O.T. ones were.....We just have to let the Holy Ghost teach us modesty and separation from the world, from the inside out. If we are NOT walking in the Spirit, we are placing ourselves under the Law and end up trying to find our "standards" in the O.T.



19 Bible Verses about Holiness Of The Saints
Romans 8:29

For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.


Ephesians 1:4

According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:
1 Thessalonians 4:7

For God hath not called us unto uncleanness, but unto holiness.
2 Timothy 1:9

Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began,
Ephesians 4:24

And that ye put on the new man, which after God is created in righteousness and true holiness.
1 Corinthians 3:17

If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which temple ye are.
Hebrews 3:1

Wherefore, holy brethren, partakers of the heavenly calling, consider the Apostle and High Priest of our profession, Christ Jesus;
Romans 6:22

But now being made free from sin, and become servants to God, ye have your fruit unto holiness, and the end everlasting life.
Hebrews 12:14

Follow peace with all men, and holiness, without which no man shall see the Lord:
Luke 1:74-75

That he would grant unto us, that we being delivered out of the hand of our enemies might serve him without fear, In holiness and righteousness before him, all the days of our life.
Romans 6:13

Neither yield ye your members as instruments of unrighteousness unto sin: but yield yourselves unto God, as those that are alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness unto God.
Romans 12:1 Do we dress to cause others to lust? Do they lust on us when they see us?

I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, which is your reasonable service.
1 Peter 1:15

But as he which hath called you is holy, so be ye holy in all manner of conversation;
2 Peter 3:11

Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,
Luke 1:75

In holiness and righteousness before him, all the days of our life.
2 Corinthians 7:1

Having therefore these promises, dearly beloved, let us cleanse ourselves from all filthiness of the flesh and spirit, perfecting holiness in the fear of God.
Colossians 1:22

In the body of his flesh through death, to present you holy and unblameable and unreproveable in his sight:
1 Thessalonians 3:13

To the end he may stablish your hearts unblameable in holiness before God, even our Father, at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ with all his saints.
Revelation 22:11

He that is unjust, let him be unjust still: and he which is filthy, let him be filthy still: and he that is righteous, let him be righteous still: and he that is holy, let him be holy still.


Bible Verses About Modesty



1 Corinthians 6:19-20 - What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost [which is] in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own?

1 Timothy 2:9-10 - In like manner also, that women adorn themselves in modest apparel, with shamefacedness and sobriety; not with broided hair, or gold, or pearls, or costly array; Females



1 Peter 3:3-4 - Whose adorning let it not be that outward [adorning] of plaiting the hair, and of wearing of gold, or of putting on of apparel; Females



1 Peter 3:1-4 - Likewise, ye wives, [be] in subjection to your own husbands; that, if any obey not the word, they also may without the word be won by the conversation of the wives;

1 Timothy 2:8-10 - I will therefore that men pray every where, lifting up holy hands, without wrath and doubting.



Matthew 5:28 - But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart. Females

1 John 2:16 - For all that [is] in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world.

1 Peter 5:5-6 - Likewise, ye younger, submit yourselves unto the elder. Yea, all [of you] be subject one to another, and be clothed with humility: for God resisteth the proud, and giveth grace to the humble.



1 Corinthians 10:31 - Whether therefore ye eat, or drink, or whatsoever ye do, do all to the glory of God.

1 Peter 3:3 - Whose adorning let it not be that outward [adorning] of plaiting the hair, and of wearing of gold, or of putting on of apparel; Females



1 Corinthians 6:19 - What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost [which is] in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own?




Females seem to be singled out on the modesty verses most of the time, which only stands to reason....
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Old 07-24-2014, 08:51 AM
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Re: If You Have To Wear Make Up To Be Rejected...

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I challenge you to find any New Testament scriptures where Jesus taught anything about a dress code or where any NT Christians are noted for their appearance being different from others.
Don't worry I am going to post exactly the passages that you know I will. LOL

1 Tim 2:8 I will therefore that men pray every where, lifting up holy hands, without wrath and doubting.
9 In like manner also, that women adorn themselves in modest apparel, with shamefacedness and sobriety; not with broided hair, or gold, or pearls, or costly array;
10 but (which becometh women professing godliness) with good works.

1 Peter 3:3
Whose adorning let it not be that outward adorning of plaiting the hair, and of wearing of gold, or of putting on of apparel;

Rev 1:13 and in the midst of the seven candlesticks one like unto the Son of man, clothed with a garment down to the foot, and girt about the paps with a golden girdle.

I challenge you to find one verse in the new testament that condemns or even speaks of incestous marriage or rape. These are both things I feel we can agree are wrong and sinful so please show me.
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Old 07-24-2014, 09:17 AM
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Re: If You Have To Wear Make Up To Be Rejected...

If the world fits....you're the wrong size. As a teen I remember my pastor telling me to not get to comfortable with the world. I always thought that was a good benchmark without getting to legalistic.
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Don't worry I am going to post exactly the passages that you know I will. LOL

1 Tim 2:8 I will therefore that men pray every where, lifting up holy hands, without wrath and doubting.
9 In like manner also, that women adorn themselves in modest apparel, with shamefacedness and sobriety; not with broided hair, or gold, or pearls, or costly array;
10 but (which becometh women professing godliness) with good works.

1 Peter 3:3
Whose adorning let it not be that outward adorning of plaiting the hair, and of wearing of gold, or of putting on of apparel;

Rev 1:13 and in the midst of the seven candlesticks one like unto the Son of man, clothed with a garment down to the foot, and girt about the paps with a golden girdle.

I challenge you to find one verse in the new testament that condemns or even speaks of incestous marriage or rape. These are both things I feel we can agree are wrong and sinful so please show me.
I'm sure CC1 will respond for himself, but one thing I just noticed about your answer. CC1 said "I challenge you to find any New Testament scriptures where Jesus taught anything about a dress code or where any NT Christians are noted for their appearance being different from others." I notice you didn't supply any scriptures with JESUS teaching on appearances.
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Old 07-24-2014, 09:32 AM
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I'm sure CC1 will respond for himself, but one thing I just noticed about your answer. CC1 said "I challenge you to find any New Testament scriptures where Jesus taught anything about a dress code or where any NT Christians are noted for their appearance being different from others." I notice you didn't supply any scriptures with JESUS teaching on appearances.
Not true every scripture that I posted was teaching Form Jesus:

2 Timothy 3:16
All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:


The word "doctrine" in the above verse

means:

I.teaching, instruction

II.teaching

A.that which is taught, doctrine

B.teachings, precepts

Lexicon :: Strong's G1319 - didaskalia

Therefore what it is saying is all scripture is God's teaching.

Notice also this passage:

2 Peter 1:20 knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.
21 For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.

Again all scripture is attributed to God.
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Re: If You Have To Wear Make Up To Be Rejected...

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Not true every scripture that I posted was teaching Form Jesus:

2 Timothy 3:16
All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:


The word "doctrine" in the above verse

means:

I.teaching, instruction

II.teaching

A.that which is taught, doctrine

B.teachings, precepts

Lexicon :: Strong's G1319 - didaskalia

Therefore what it is saying is all scripture is God's teaching.

Notice also this passage:

2 Peter 1:20 knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.
21 For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.

Again all scripture is attributed to God.
Nice way of side stepping the question. lol.... Specifically then, provide an instance out of the gospels where Jesus taught and where He specifically mentioned a dress code, or standard of appearance in relationship to salvation.
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