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Old 09-17-2014, 02:31 PM
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Re: Has there ALWAYS been a true church?

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I think the bigger problem on the part of OPs is the assumption they have the apostles doctrine right. Seeing as how 1)OPs have to explain away and redefine large portions of the epistles (especially Romans) and the gospels (especially John)
It looks to me more like Evangelicals explain away Acts and redefine John.

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2) the early church apparently DIDNT come to the modern OP conclusions on the water/Spirit doctrine since we find no evidence of it outside of the Bible even in the 1st and 2nd centuries
Do we need evidence of it outside the Bible? Absolutely not! That's why we are called "Apostolic". Anything OUTSIDE the Bible or speaking different than whats in it is heretical.

And when you use the terms water/spirit in relation to salvation have you never heard of the Catholic Church? That is precisely what they have always believed. Altho they approach it from a wrong perspective (baptizing infants and confirmation ritual) it originally came from Jesus teaching on being born of water and spirit.

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3)It seems plausible if not likely that the entire OP foundation, identity, philosophy, and tradition is all the result of a misunderstanding of scripture thus resulting in an inaccurate understanding not only of what Bible Salvation is but also of the true church in history (hence the total absence prior to 1913 of any movement that taught what modern OPs do).
The Apostolic foundation is found ONLY among Oneness Pentecostal groups today. I have searched the Bible now on this very matter for the last 36 years on the matter as one starting out from an Evangelical beginning. None of the Evangelical groups are patterned after the Acts and preaching of the Apostles.

It was because I compared the teachings of Evangelical groups like I was part of with that of the Apostles that I came to separate from them. They were false teachers offering salvation a different way.

Now as to the philosophy and traditions that have come up among them much of it no doubt is merely the doctrine of men.
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