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Old 10-05-2014, 03:46 PM
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Re: Homosexuality question

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Here are a few more questions that I'm not asking:
Do we all deserve hell?

Do people choose to go to hell?

Was hell originally intended for humans?
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Yes

Consciously? No

Dunno...BTW it's actually called the Lake of Fire
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Those were examples of what I wasn't asking.

I asked previously, about my gay son:
So, if he never repents and does whatever else you think he has to do to be saved, will he deserve to burn in hell?
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Everyone deserves it. Everyone must repent
You asked "Do we ALL...." and "ALL" would have included even your son

So my answers actually do address even your gay son.
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Old 10-05-2014, 06:12 PM
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Re: Homosexuality question

Romans 1 is clear. If the Bible says it, then it is clear, the God not only hates homosexuality, but also those who give approval of that sin. Yes, it is sin. Yes, you must repent. God's love will never tolerate what will destroy you.
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Old 10-05-2014, 08:11 PM
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Romans 1 is clear. If the Bible says it, then it is clear, the God not only hates homosexuality, but also those who give approval of that sin. Yes, it is sin. Yes, you must repent. God's love will never tolerate what will destroy you.
I'm so grateful that God's love is way, way bigger than this attitude.
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Old 10-06-2014, 01:46 AM
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I'm so grateful that God's love is way, way bigger than this attitude.
What about the verse he referenced?
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Old 10-06-2014, 05:54 AM
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What about the verse he referenced?
The chapter he referenced is one passage in a really big Bible.

The problem I have is with this, "God hates homosexuality, but also those who give approval of that sin." No...God doesn't hate people.
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Re: Homosexuality question

God condemns both the sinner and those who give approval of the sin. I wish folks would quit making excuses for the acceptance of what god hates, but sin loves sin. God does not hate people, and you are right. But their sin, and this includes the abomination of homosexuality, God does hate. God loves us so much He died for us. He hates sin so much He died to deliver us from it.
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Old 10-06-2014, 06:41 AM
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Re: Homosexuality question

All sin is an "abomination". While many rant and rave over homosexuality and it's sinfulness, few adequately explain "why" it is a sin.

God is love. God only desires that we love others as ourselves. Homosexuality doesn't manifest "love" as God desires. In the vast majority of cases it only manifests varying degrees of lust and self serving fraternity. When one realizes the depth to which they have allowed themselves to use others and be used by them, only then will they begin to see why it isn't pleasing to a God who is truly "love".

Essentially, isn't this the core of all sexual sin? The gratuitous use and abuse of self and others for selfish gratification? Such is void of true love.

One cannot truly love their neighbor... and continue to use them to fulfill carnal lusts as though they are objects to gratify the flesh and self.
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Old 10-06-2014, 07:12 AM
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Old 10-06-2014, 07:15 AM
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God hated Esau. NEXT...
Does not true love "hate" that which endangers the object of it's affection?

Saying that God is love, and understanding it's ontological reality, doesn't preclude God's hatred for sin. For it is "sin" that has endangered His most beloved creation, man.
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Re: Homosexuality question

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You asked "Do we ALL...." and "ALL" would have included even your son

So my answers actually do address even your gay son.
Yes, exactly. But some people don't like to personalize this, and say it about a specific person. See Mike's response. "Where did that come from?" "God is the one who determines who deserves what. Not us." But he would probably say, as you did, we all deserve it. Steve Epley also will not personalize this. He will identify groups of people who will be thrown into the lake of fire, but he will not say that about any individual who is a member of such a group.

Weird, isn't it?
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