Oh WAKE UP people!!

[seguidordejesus]

Originally Posted by Aquila

I don't believe Christians should abstain from service. However, I think it is wise and spiritual to do so. We do better to be praying the end of war and for those involved in war on both sides. We can serve humanity by focusing on humanitarian aid for refugees, justice for prisoners, and services for veterans. There are also non-combatant roles that we can serve in.

[aegsm76]

Aquila - I was wondering how long of a post I could get...
Still love ya, brother!!!

[Originalist]

Originally Posted by seguidordejesus

Perhaps your "hunch" is some rancid leftover pizza.

Apparently wanting to be a Christian means one is a Democrat. Awesome.

Actually I was not referring to you. I thought you were just trying to be principled.

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by aegsm76

Aquila - I was wondering how long of a post I could get...
Still love ya, brother!!!

LOL!

Love you too bro.

[Lafon]

Originally Posted by Originalist
I have a hunch that most that our downplaying the concerns I've expressed, or who are trying to "spiritualize" their lack of concern, are actually Obama supporters and are thrilled at what he is doing. One poster in particular boasted previously about having contributed to Obama's campaign. Gee, why wasn't that contribution an "entanglement in the affairs of this life" as he preached to me about in his post? hmmm.

Your reference to my contribution to Obama's 1st presidential campaign was my simply stating a fact, NOT boasting. But it was as a direct result of your comments in response to that statement (which seemed to practically sentence me to eternal torment by the flames of hell for an act which you deemed to be akin to blasphemy), is precisely what caused me to rethink my position about future contributions, and since then I have ceased ALL such contributions and involvement in anything "political," except voting.

Oh, by the way, I will also tell you that I contributed to George H.W. Bush campaign because I believed his stated agenda was better than Clinton's (I was wrong, of course, for notwithstanding his lack of morals, I believe he became an excellent President). Do I become the recipient of your "conservative" wrath for that as well?

And I am NOT a Democrat! I am an American citizen with the inherent right to vote for whomsoever I believe will best do the greater good for the majority, which, as I've stated, does not always end up that way. (Yes, I voted for Obama a 2nd time as well, for when I had to pay out 35% on an income of just over 220 thousand, and to learn that Romney only paid 14% on several millions, there was just NO way that someone who believed that was "fair taxation" was going to receive my vote). Call me an Independent if you want, but I am not beholden to any political party or philosophy. When I vote, regardless of the poltical party of the candidate, I am fully cognizant that I am NOT voting for a Pastor, but only a President. And the act of casting a vote, in my opinion, is not causing myself to become "entangled with the affairs of this life."

Just a brief personal observation here for what its worth: I think you would do much better to restrict your activities to God's campaign and leave the political and "civil disobedience" stuff to those of the secular society. But then, that's just my opinion (hoping you don't cast me into the lake of fire again for that statement also).

[Originalist]

Originally Posted by Lafon

Your reference to my contribution to Obama's 1st presidential campaign was my simply stating a fact, NOT boasting. But it was as a direct result of your comments in response to that statement (which seemed to practically sentence me to eternal torment by the flames of hell for an act which you deemed to be akin to blasphemy), is precisely what caused me to rethink my position about future contributions, and since then I have ceased ALL such contributions and involvement in anything "political," except voting.

Oh, by the way, I will also tell you that I contributed to George H.W. Bush campaign because I believed his stated agenda was better than Clinton's (I was wrong, of course, for notwithstanding his lack of morals, I believe he became an excellent President). Do I become the recipient of your "conservative" wrath for that as well?

And I am NOT a Democrat! I am an American citizen with the inherent right to vote for whomsoever I believe will best do the greater good for the majority, which, as I've stated, does not always end up that way. (Yes, I voted for Obama a 2nd time as well, for when I had to pay out 35% on an income of just over 220 thousand, and to learn that Romney only paid 14% on several millions, there was just NO way that someone who believed that was "fair taxation" was going to receive my vote). Call me an Independent if you want, but I am not beholden to any political party or philosophy. When I vote, regardless of the poltical party of the candidate, I am fully cognizant that I am NOT voting for a Pastor, but only a President. And the act of casting a vote, in my opinion, is not causing myself to become "entangled with the affairs of this life."

Just a brief personal observation here for what its worth: I think you would do much better to restrict your activities to God's campaign and leave the political and "civil disobedience" stuff to those of the secular society. But then, that's just my opinion (hoping you don't cast me into the lake of fire again for that statement also).

Romney lives off of his investments. Fortunately for Senior Citizens living partially off of 401K's, investment taxes are cheaper than taxes on earned income. You are comparing apples and oranges. But again, to be consistent in your beliefs you really should not be voting at all, sir, especially if you are going to vote for a man who openly breaks the law and admits he is doing it. How is the little man you are so worried about gong to benefit with the already strapped job market bow flooded with millions more cheap laborers?

[Rudy]

Originally Posted by n david

I can do this as well.

Ps 47:8
God reigns over the nations, God sits on His holy throne.

Col 1:16
For by him all things were created, in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities - all things were created through him and for him.

1 Chron 29:11, 12
Yours, LORD, is the greatness and the power and the glory and the majesty and the splendor, for everything in heaven and earth is yours. Yours, LORD, is the kingdom; you are exalted as head over all. Wealth and honor come from you; you are the ruler of all things. In your hands are strength and power to exalt and give strength to all

We can write all the scriptures about God being above all, in control of all; that He alone both sets up and brings down governments.

It has nothing to do with whether or not Christians should be involved in civil government. Nothing. So yes, to answer the same question you ask over and over, yes God is in control.

No one is arguing that.

Here's a question for you: Do you believe God to be so limited and small that He cannot be in control if a Christian becomes involved in civil government? Does God suddenly lose power?

Please show me a scripture which says Christians should not be involved in civil government, not these others about God ruling above all.

Secular government tends to be adversarial.

To me nothing wrong in giving advice to those in leadership. Would not say it would be sin to be in civil government either.

If God appoints authority, sets them up or down. Rules in the kingdom of men etc. Are we to oust those who are not lining up to our views and standards?

Do you believe God is so limited and small that he cannot remove leadership in civil government without our help?

Remember the king who ate grass for awhile?

Did God make a mistake giving power to Obama?

[seguidordejesus]

Originally Posted by Originalist

Actually I was not referring to you. I thought you were just trying to be principled.

[Originalist]

Originally Posted by Rudy

Secular government tends to be adversarial.

To me nothing wrong in giving advice to those in leadership. Would not say it would be sin to be in civil government either.

If God appoints authority, sets them up or down. Rules in the kingdom of men etc. Are we to oust those who are not lining up to our views and standards?

Do you believe God is so limited and small that he cannot remove leadership in civil government without our help?

Remember the king who ate grass for awhile?

Did God make a mistake giving power to Obama?

Is the bible actually teaching that every leader from dog catcher to President is personally chosen by God? What about the form of government a nation has? Is that also chosen by God? If so, then Obama is in defiance of the form of government that God chose for America and needs to be stopped.

[Rudy]

Originally Posted by Originalist

Is the bible actually teaching that every leader from dog catcher to President is personally chosen by God? What about the form of government a nation has? Is that also chosen by God? If so, then Obama is in defiance of the form of government that God chose for America and needs to be stopped.

Stopped by who?