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Originally Posted by jfrog
John 3:8 is explicitly about those born of the spirit not those born of water and the spirit
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"He that believes and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believes not shall be damned."
There are two part to the above verse: can one negate the other? Of course not!
The second part speaks only of
"...he that believes not..."; because the person that does not believe will deny repentance or baptism.
John 3:8__ does not negate any portion of the scriptures in chapter 3 of John, nor do any other verses in that chapter negate verse 8.
Verse 5 stands by itself. It speaks of planting the natural man (going into the waters), and the birth of the spiritual man.
Even the natural realm testifies: an apple seed, by itself, cannot bring forth the tree that can give apples unless it is planted.
Man cannot be "born" into the kingdom of God unless he first dies (repents) and is then buried (in the waters of baptism).
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