born of water

[jfrog]

Originally Posted by thephnxman

"He that believes and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believes not shall be damned."
There are two part to the above verse: can one negate the other? Of course not!
The second part speaks only of "...he that believes not..."; because the person that does not believe will deny repentance or baptism.

John 3:8__ does not negate any portion of the scriptures in chapter 3 of John, nor do any other verses in that chapter negate verse 8.
Verse 5 stands by itself. It speaks of planting the natural man (going into the waters), and the birth of the spiritual man.

Even the natural realm testifies: an apple seed, by itself, cannot bring forth the tree that can give apples unless it is planted.
Man cannot be "born" into the kingdom of God unless he first dies (repents) and is then buried (in the waters of baptism).

And John 3:5 does not negate John 3:7-8

instead of being combative, think about the implications of what u are saying. If water and spirit is one birth then how can Jesus refer to those just born of the spirit. And if water and spirit denote two births why doesn't jesus say you need to be twice born again. Those are the implications of your interpretation of John 3:5