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Originally Posted by J.A. Perez
Please excuse me for interupting, but might I add.
You also need a Man of God (a pastor) to show you.
That's in the bible.
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Where exactly in the Bible does it say you need a "man of God" to show you?
You mentioned
Eph. 4:11-13. I find nowhere in that scripture where it says a "man of God" must show you. Instead we find a list of five different types of servant ministries that are given.
Eph. 4:11-13
11 And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers;
12 For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ:
13 Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:
The five fold ministry was given to 1) perfect the saints; 2) for the work of the ministry, and 3) to edify the body of Christ. The outcome of this ministry would be to bring all into the unity of the faith, knowledge of the son of God, and unto a perfect man in Christ.
A servant ministry, such as those listed in the 5-fold ministry in the NT church were not rulers, or lords, or kings, or dictators over God's people, or else they would be contradicting Jesus words in
Mark 10:42-45
"Mark 10:42-45
But Jesus called them to him, and saith unto them, Ye know that they which are accounted to rule over the Gentiles exercise lordship over them; and their great ones exercise authority upon them. But so shall it not be among you: but whosoever will be great among you, shall be your minister: And whosoever of you will be the chiefest shall be servant of all. For even the Son of man came not to be ministered unto, but to minister, and to give his life a ransom for many."