ROTFL! Secondly you definitely need to find a Bible believing church somewhere and start learning proper exegesis. It’s abundantly clear all you have is an agenda.
Matthew 23:3
For they say and do not (legousin kai ou poiousin). “As teachers they have their place, but beware of following their example” (Bruce). So Jesus said: “Do not ye after their works “ (mē poieite). Do not practice their practices. They are only preachers. Jesus does not here disapprove any of their teachings as he does elsewhere. The point made here is that they are only teachers (or preachers) and do not practice what they teach as God sees it.
See how easy that was? So easy even a cave man can do it. Unless that cave man has an agenda…
An agenda like say twisting verses to mean one thing when they actually, in multiple versions and translations, say the opposite thing? I am thinking you are not quite the caveman you think you are.
NIV sez
2 “The teachers of the law and the Pharisees sit in Moses’ seat. 3 So you must be careful to do everything they tell you. But do not do what they do, for they do not practice what they preach.
Auth "queen james version" sez
2 saying, The scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses’ seat: 3 all therefore whatsoever they bid you observe, that observe and do; but do not ye after their works: for they say, and do not.
Young's literal translation sez
2 saying, `On the seat of Moses sat down the scribes and the Pharisees;
3 all, then, as much as they may say to you to observe, observe and do, but according to their works do not, for they say, and do not;
OH and "queen james" version (appears there is an authorized one and another one for the regular folks LOL):
Saying The scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat:
3 All therefore whatsoever they bid you observe, that observe and do; but do not ye after their works: for they say, and do not.
You already got the clever little link. Go back to where I sent you to bible study if you have difficulty finding this again.
Summary: Those who developed the Talmud WERE the ministry and Jesus validated that.
Which is what I said. In a week or so, or even if this goes to 10,000 pages, you will eventually admit that too, like you (good God FINALLY already) admitted that there is no minimum age for marriage in the bible.
This is, of course and naturally, in conflict (with)your earlier "look how much worse you are than me" declarations.
Sez you to me: "The Bible is in perfect harmony with itself. It needs no other standard. You, on the other hand, prefer to torture the text to make it say what you want to say"
Were you being deliberately or accidentally deceptive in the pompous declaration above? Do you tell fibbies then forget what you said? Do you and "your special friend Bruce" develop your own translations for yourselves? Perhaps you should not play "cavemen with Bruce" alone at home anymore.
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ADVICE: When you do play "caveman with Bruce" at home keep it to yourself, don't publicly giggle while you are doing it, be consistent if you are going to tell fibs, and post pics elsewhere!
Last edited by Walks_in_islam; 01-08-2015 at 08:58 PM.
But Fox News hasn't heard about that, either. You're in good company.
Fox's Monica Crowley: "I Haven't Heard Any Condemnation" Of The Paris Attack From Muslim Groups. While discussing reactions to the Charlie Hebdo attack on the January 7 edition of Fox News' The Real Story, contributor Monica Crowley argued that Muslims "should be condemning" the attack and that she hadn't "heard any condemnation." [Fox News, The Real Story, 1/7/15]
Consultation of "Sheikh google" for a reaction to an incident is very hard.
Al-Azhar, the thousand-year-old seat of religious learning in Cairo that’s respected by Muslims around the world, referred to the attack as a criminal act, saying that “Islam denounces any violence,” according to Egypt’s state news agency MENA.
* The Organization of the Islamic Conference strongly condemned the attack. A spokesperson for the OIC’s Islamophobia Observatory in Jeddah, Saudi Arabia said that violence and radicalism are “biggest enemies of Islam.”
Can't this just go on and on.
Remember this: Rare events are deemed "newsworthy" and cover the exception not the rule. Of course it is not a "newsworthy" event to cover the disgust and horror that the Muslim world feels when one of their own use their beliefs to justify a violent criminal act.
* The French Council of the Muslim Religion condemned the “barbaric” attack and said that first thoughts are with the victims and their families. It also called on “all those committed to the values of the Republic and democracy to avoid provocations that only serve to throw oil on the fire,” and on French Muslims to “exercise the utmost vigilance against possible manipulations from extremist groups.”
* Indonesia, the world’s most-populous Muslim nation, “condemns the attack” and “sends condolences to the government and people of France,” the Foreign Ministry said in a statement.
* “Egypt stands by France in confronting terrorism, an international phenomenon that targets the world’s security and stability and which requires coordinated international efforts to eradicate,” said Egyptian Foreign Minister Sameh Shoukry.
* “We, as Turkey, condemn with hatred any kind of terror,” Turkish Foreign Minister Mevlut Cavusoglu said in Ankara. “We are against any form of terror regardless of where it comes from and what its motives are.”
* Lebanon’s Foreign Ministry expressed “sympathies and full solidarity with the French government and people in their fight against terrorism,” in an e-mailed statement. It called on the international community to work through international laws to uproot terrorism so that “its shrapnel won’t hit the innocent anywhere else in the world.”
* Iranian Foreign Ministry spokeswoman Marzieh Afkham condemned the attack and said any terrorist action against innocent humans was against the teachings of Islam, according to the news agency IRNA. “Such actions are a continuation of radical waves and physical aggressions which have spread throughout the world in the past decade, and incorrect policies and double standards in confronting extremism and violence have unfortunately given way to a spreading of such undertakings,” she said.
* “We strongly condemn this brutal and cowardly attack and reiterate our repudiation of any such assault on freedom of speech, even speech that mocks faiths and religious figures,” said the Council on American-Islamic Relations, the largest Muslim civil rights organization in the U.S.. “The proper response to such attacks on the freedoms we hold dear is not to vilify any faith, but instead to marginalize extremists of all backgrounds who seek to stifle freedom and to create or widen societal divisions.”
* The Muslim Council of Britain said on Twitter: “We condemn the attack on #CharlieHebdo. Whomever the attackers are, and whatever the cause may be, nothing justifies the taking of life.”
* Saudi Arabia has “followed with deep sorrow” the killings in Paris and condemns “this cowardly terrorist attack which is incompatible with Islam religion,” according to the official SPA news agency. Qatar’s Foreign Ministry said that “these actions that targets civilians contravene all values and principles, moral and humanitarian.” Its counterpart in the United Arab Emirates said that “ that such appalling criminal acts require cooperation and solidarity at all levels to eradicate this menace.”
* “Malaysia condemns in the strongest terms all acts of violence. We stand in unity with the French people. We must fight extremism with moderation,” Prime Minister Najib Razak said in Twitter posting.
* King Mohammed of Morocco ‘‘strongly condemned the odious, cowardly terrorist attack’’ in a message of condolences to French President Francois Hollande, according to state news agency MAP.
Last edited by Walks_in_islam; 01-08-2015 at 09:03 PM.
I'm starting to sincerely believe that Islam isn't truly a religion in the purest sense. It has an entire political law base. It is a "religio-political" movement. I don't think it should be protected by laws that apply to religious liberty. (Same would apply to Christian Dominionists and Reconstructionists.)
I am not aware that Islamic LAW is protected. Though some Islamic religious practices and Islamic beliefs are protected I do not know of any state or any statute that allows Muslims to practice Islam outside of established law. A Muslim can kill a sheep at EID for instance as per the requirements without worry of running afoul of the authorities based on the way it is killed as this is religious but certainly cannot order "lashings for minor sins" or similar.
Y'all can't kill "witches" anymore either. I personally like limitation to both and I sincerely believe that strict religious-based rule, in the hands of men, is a bad, bad thing as exampled by the application of it in mud hut villages in far-flung areas of the world. God help us all if someone like Pliny, with his free-ranging and subjective application of scripture, was in charge of determining right from wrong.
The closest the courts get to protecting Islamic law is in a few civil matters, where for example they will follow the written marriage contract prepared before the marriage and signed by both parties to dissolve a marriage rather than the local court standard or state law. This is usually in regard to property, handling of the children, etc (after age 8 the father is usually responsible for raising the children, not the mother, in Islam) but one cannot really say, with 20,000,000 fatherless children and 79% of prison inmates coming from fatherless homes (source: National Congress for Fathers and Children) that this is better or worse than shredding the father and paying off the mother in divorce.
The courts also honor prenups, so even in cases like the above the marriage contract is interpreted (and applied) the same way as a prenup. After all it is signed by both parties and witnessed by two others. These are a couple of things that I do know about where local rules bend to Islamic practices but if you are aware of any special circumstances where being a Muslim is somehow a "benefit" under the law kindly share.
Last edited by Walks_in_islam; 01-08-2015 at 10:27 PM.
Consultation of "Sheikh google" for a reaction to an incident is very hard.
Al-Azhar, the thousand-year-old seat of religious learning in Cairo that’s respected by Muslims around the world, referred to the attack as a criminal act, saying that “Islam denounces any violence,” according to Egypt’s state news agency MENA.
* The Organization of the Islamic Conference strongly condemned the attack. A spokesperson for the OIC’s Islamophobia Observatory in Jeddah, Saudi Arabia said that violence and radicalism are “biggest enemies of Islam.”
Can't this just go on and on.
Remember this: Rare events are deemed "newsworthy" and cover the exception not the rule. Of course it is not a "newsworthy" event to cover the disgust and horror that the Muslim world feels when one of their own use their beliefs to justify a violent criminal act.
* The French Council of the Muslim Religion condemned the “barbaric” attack and said that first thoughts are with the victims and their families. It also called on “all those committed to the values of the Republic and democracy to avoid provocations that only serve to throw oil on the fire,” and on French Muslims to “exercise the utmost vigilance against possible manipulations from extremist groups.”
* Indonesia, the world’s most-populous Muslim nation, “condemns the attack” and “sends condolences to the government and people of France,” the Foreign Ministry said in a statement.
* “Egypt stands by France in confronting terrorism, an international phenomenon that targets the world’s security and stability and which requires coordinated international efforts to eradicate,” said Egyptian Foreign Minister Sameh Shoukry.
* “We, as Turkey, condemn with hatred any kind of terror,” Turkish Foreign Minister Mevlut Cavusoglu said in Ankara. “We are against any form of terror regardless of where it comes from and what its motives are.”
* Lebanon’s Foreign Ministry expressed “sympathies and full solidarity with the French government and people in their fight against terrorism,” in an e-mailed statement. It called on the international community to work through international laws to uproot terrorism so that “its shrapnel won’t hit the innocent anywhere else in the world.”
* Iranian Foreign Ministry spokeswoman Marzieh Afkham condemned the attack and said any terrorist action against innocent humans was against the teachings of Islam, according to the news agency IRNA. “Such actions are a continuation of radical waves and physical aggressions which have spread throughout the world in the past decade, and incorrect policies and double standards in confronting extremism and violence have unfortunately given way to a spreading of such undertakings,” she said.
* “We strongly condemn this brutal and cowardly attack and reiterate our repudiation of any such assault on freedom of speech, even speech that mocks faiths and religious figures,” said the Council on American-Islamic Relations, the largest Muslim civil rights organization in the U.S.. “The proper response to such attacks on the freedoms we hold dear is not to vilify any faith, but instead to marginalize extremists of all backgrounds who seek to stifle freedom and to create or widen societal divisions.”
* The Muslim Council of Britain said on Twitter: “We condemn the attack on #CharlieHebdo. Whomever the attackers are, and whatever the cause may be, nothing justifies the taking of life.”
* Saudi Arabia has “followed with deep sorrow” the killings in Paris and condemns “this cowardly terrorist attack which is incompatible with Islam religion,” according to the official SPA news agency. Qatar’s Foreign Ministry said that “these actions that targets civilians contravene all values and principles, moral and humanitarian.” Its counterpart in the United Arab Emirates said that “ that such appalling criminal acts require cooperation and solidarity at all levels to eradicate this menace.”
* “Malaysia condemns in the strongest terms all acts of violence. We stand in unity with the French people. We must fight extremism with moderation,” Prime Minister Najib Razak said in Twitter posting.
* King Mohammed of Morocco ‘‘strongly condemned the odious, cowardly terrorist attack’’ in a message of condolences to French President Francois Hollande, according to state news agency MAP.
Since Muslims are allowed to lie in order to advance Islam... how can we be sure that these condemnations are authentic condemnations?
I am not aware that Islamic LAW is protected. Though some Islamic religious practices and Islamic beliefs are protected I do not know of any state or any statute that allows Muslims to practice Islam outside of established law. A Muslim can kill a sheep at EID for instance as per the requirements without worry of running afoul of the authorities based on the way it is killed as this is religious but certainly cannot order "lashings for minor sins" or similar.
Y'all can't kill "witches" anymore either. I personally like limitation to both and I sincerely believe that strict religious-based rule, in the hands of men, is a bad, bad thing as exampled by the application of it in mud hut villages in far-flung areas of the world. God help us all if someone like Pliny, with his free-ranging and subjective application of scripture, was in charge of determining right from wrong.
The closest the courts get to protecting Islamic law is in a few civil matters, where for example they will follow the written marriage contract prepared before the marriage and signed by both parties to dissolve a marriage rather than the local court standard or state law. This is usually in regard to property, handling of the children, etc (after age 8 the father is usually responsible for raising the children, not the mother, in Islam) but one cannot really say, with 20,000,000 fatherless children and 79% of prison inmates coming from fatherless homes (source: National Congress for Fathers and Children) that this is better or worse than shredding the father and paying off the mother in divorce.
The courts also honor prenups, so even in cases like the above the marriage contract is interpreted (and applied) the same way as a prenup. After all it is signed by both parties and witnessed by two others. These are a couple of things that I do know about where local rules bend to Islamic practices but if you are aware of any special circumstances where being a Muslim is somehow a "benefit" under the law kindly share.
There is nothing in the New Testament requiring that a Christian kill anything other than what might be killed and used for food.
There is nothing in the New Testament requiring that a Christian kill anything other than what might be killed and used for food.
If you are referring to the sheep killed at Eid? Then it is killed for food. A portion is given to charity, a portion is shared with the neighbors, and a portion is eaten by the family who killed it.
Since Muslims are allowed to lie in order to advance Islam... how can we be sure that these condemnations are authentic condemnations?
I guess your best bet is by the actions of that country towards terrorists. If they are caught, sentenced to death, and dead within 6 months it IMPLIES at least that the country is serious about what they think of these "brave martyrs".
Just don't condemn the way they receive their punishment eh? Terrorists have it coming.
Saudi Arabia arrested three Saudi nationals and four Syrians over links to a suicide bombing and gun attack earlier this week on the kingdom’s border with Iraq, the first ground assault by militants on the frontier in years.
On Monday, two Saudi border guards and their commanding officer General Odah al-Balawi were killed on the frontier with Iraq, along with the four attackers, two of which were in suicide blasts.
State-run Saudi Press Agency (SPA), said, quoting an interior ministry spokesman, that three of the four attackers were Saudi nationals who were members of the "deviant group," a phrase Saudi authorities use to describe al-Qaeda.
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