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Old 09-01-2015, 10:02 AM
n david n david is offline
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Re: Shouting at NAYC

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Originally Posted by Pressing-On View Post
Thanks for the scripture, which garners FAITH.

What was on your mind, in your hour of need, while sitting or kneeling? Was this what you were thinking about?

"With a little study, I found out that there is something about the human voice, that when it shouts it shreds the air."

Notice the focus is horizontal - "the human voice".

Everything else he said was scriptural and correct. This little element raises a red flag in my mind. It promotes sensationalism. Sensationalism is not intellectually honest.

The focus of this thread is not on the merits of NAYC. It is about this one statement that doesn't sound well at all.

Would you use this in a lesson? Would you teach this to your children? I wouldn't go near it with a ten foot pole.
I understood what Stoneking was saying. I didn't miss the whole lead up to that point in which he laid the Biblical foundation.

What did the children of Israel use when God commanded them to shout? It wasn't just faith! It was their human voice.

I highly doubt Stoneking believes it's only our human voice which does anything. Yes, it's faith, but faith without works is dead. You can have all the faith in the world, and it will do absolutely nothing if not put into action. And until we're in heaven, we have human bodies which means we use human means --- through faith.

Again, the Kingdom of Heaven suffereth violence and the violent take it by force. This is not a quiet, passive scene. This paints a very loud, very intense picture. So, yes, I would use the example. The reason is because it's something we can all understand. Tell 20,000 kids that God commanded people to shout and things happened and they'll praise God for what he did. Tell them that sound waves dispell molecules in the air and they now have something they can really grasp and understand.

Stoneking simply used a physical or scientific example to relate a spiritual truth or principle. People use personal experiences, practical or scientific examples all the time. Why is this any different?

Other than it was Stoneking who said it.
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