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Originally Posted by Godsdrummer
Reading down through the post, I realize that everyone responded with there own view of what they believe OSAS means. If we have not learned anything else on AFF, we should have learned we cannot put someone into a box of what we think they believe bases on a statement like "I believe in OSAS salvation".
Stop putting people into a box of preconceived perceptions, each individual is different, and most times sees things a bit different from someone else. Before blowing someone out of the water trying to convert them to something, first find out how and what they believe don't just assume you know.
Example I have discussed the trinity with many people over the course of my life. When I was younger I would assume they believed the trinity the way I had been told they believe it by my pastor. I argued from that point of view, and never really got anyone to change their view point. In later years I began to probe their beliefs and understanding, and found many of the lay people actually saw oneness, more than trinity. So I used the common ground and was able to show them into oneness the rest of the way.
With OSAS the first thing I see thrown out is "you can sin all you want because once saved you are always saved" Friends that is BS. There may be a small minority that believe they can sin and still be saved, but the vast majority believe that someone that does not live for God, was never saved in the first place.
Anyway the whole point to this long post is to ask the question, Why do you feel you must persuade this person to believe exactly the way you do? Does she not have a Christian spirit, does she not love to study the bible, has her belief caused your bible group to become confused, is her life lived as a example of Christ?
Just maybe God put her in your group because there is a middle road between the two belief he wants you to find.
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I think you've come out swinging at me GD, without fully understanding what I was asking. I have no intention to make this a fight to the bitter end with her. She wants to discuss it, and I wanted to know the various scriptures/ideas associated with it. If she is hungering for more truth, I want to be prepared. If she is closed minded about it, then I don't want her to stop coming to our meetings, because the Lord could still touch her heart. I obviously know that there is a vast difference between what the hard core Calvinists and Trinitarians believe, as opposed to the typical layman in the church.
I appreciate your input nonetheless, and agree with you completely in that this is not something to wrangle over if she is not open to seeing it in a different light.
I am writing down all the pro and con scriptures, just to have as a reference.
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