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Old 12-08-2015, 05:51 PM
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Re: Vetting failure led to terrorism?

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I disagree with this "us 4 and no more" kind of thinking.
There is no 'us four and no more' kind of thinking. Either there is a way of salvation revealed in the Bible, or there is not. Either the way of salvation can be known, or it cannot be known. If it can be known, then it can be known that those who refuse it or do not know it are not in the way of salvation.



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Now when it comes to the Trinitarians, I do not say they are saved, but neither do I say they are lost, for I do not feel it is my place to sit in judgment of them, that is God's job.
Identifying the lost as 'lost' is not sitting in judgment of them. It is simply identifying what is declared by the Scripture as to what salvation is, what it looks like, how it works out. By declaring that whoever has not obeyed the gospel is lost one is not sitting in judgment of them, one is not making a judicial decision that sends them to any destination whatsoever. One is simply agreeing with God as to the terms of salvation.

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If we had to have perfect doctrine or theology in order to be saved then none of us would be saved for in my many years in the Apostolic camp, I have never met a person that had perfect doctrine, not even me.
The Bible tells us plainly what it takes to be saved. Everybody either conforms to it, or they are lost. This 'perfect doctrine' nonsense is just that - nonsense, a red herring, a straw man. Nobody suggests one has to have perfect understanding of all things whatsoever to be saved. Nobody suggested that. Nobody claimed that. Only you brought it up as something to argue against - but nobody hold that position. It's called a straw man.

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of course there are always pretenders who hint that they only have perfect theology and if anyone does not agree with them 100% then they are lost and in their way to hell, without passing go, without collecting 200 dollars.
Straw man. Red herring. Irrelevent.

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I do hope that perhaps God will be merciful and take in Baptists, Methodists, and even Catholics, why not?
He absolutely will, if they will repent of their sins and be baptised, and wash away their sins, calling on the name of the Lord!

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I do not see nothing contradictory or inconsistent in preaching the Apostolic message and yet hoping that the Trinitarians will also be saved, after all they too have faith in Jesus Christ, perhaps an imperfect faith, but faith nevertheless.
If the apostolic message is indeed the apostolic message - that is, the message preached by THE APOSTLES THEMSELVES - then anyone who rejects that message has, according to Jesus, rejected HIM. So why would you be hoping that those who reject Christ would be saved ANYWAY, in spite of their rejection of the truth? Might as well become a universalist for that matter.

Christ is Truth. We are sanctified by the Truth, which is the Word of God. If we will not conform to the Truth now, in this life, we aren't fit for glory, for an eternity with the One who is Himself TRUTH INCARNATE. We wouldn't enjoy it anyway! A person who is not conformed to the truth, who does not LOVE THE TRUTH (which is the Word of God), would not love to be with God for eternity, it would be torment to them. If a person doesn't love Truth now, they aren't going to suddenly love it then.
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