Are all Catholics lost?

[Jason B]

Originally Posted by mfblume

If someone thinks standards save then they're lost. Period. I don't care who they are. It's nothing but the blood that saves. I really don't know anyone who thinks standards save.

Wow that is shockingly direct, but I'd disagree with you on both points. I think someone can be legalistic and still be saved, despite their total ignorance. I'm not saying all legalists are saved, and those who teach are in greater danger. But I've known many "simple"oneness people who could not really discern God's Word and commands from the standards of the local church and pastor. I have hope that by God's,grace they will be saved.

Second, i find your statement that you "dont know anyone who really thinks standards save" frankly shocking. You no doubt know more OPs than I, and I'd certainly say that many or most I've known certainly believe that standards save. They wouldn't use that phrase, but certainly believe if they cut their hair, wire pants, make up, failed to tithe, went to a sporting event or movie, etc that their salvation would be in jeopardy.

Originally Posted by mfblume

I am talking about the serious issues that deal with Hebrews 6:1-2's elements. There are issues we can be off on and still be saved. But there are others we cannot be off on and be saved. When someone says the bible does NOT contain all the truth God wants, I cannot believe such a person is saved. That's not even on the same level as someone keeping sabbath as opposed to another who does not. there are degrees of what is acceptable and what is not.

I know I am not 100% on everything. But we are talking about major major issues like the things I listed in Catholic's beliefs. Are you saying you sincerely believe a person can think the Bible does Not contain all truth and still be saved? What kinds of beliefs are not in the bible that one is required to know that are in reality damnable? Who knows? the sky's the limit.

But are you saying the things I listed as beliefs of the Catholic church can be overlooked and don't affect salvation?

No, mostly I agree here. I dont think someone has to believe in inerrancy to be saved. There are major doctrines that are important. Personally I'm not willing to condemn all Catholics, and certainly not all Catholics of all time. But of all the "Christian" denominations or "churches", I'd have the most concerns for Catholics because of their superstition and outright idolatry, their legalism, their theology, and Revelation 17 (depending on one's interpretation of course).