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Old 06-07-2017, 08:41 AM
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Re: How old do you think the universe is?

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And, one more time, for the record, I am NOT saying "there is no gap in Genesis", I am simply saying the arguments in favour of a gap are rather thin and wanting, in my opinion. I'd like to see something a bit more solid.
I would like to add that I agree with you that use of a word determines which of the various definitions we are to realize. But even that can be obscured by a predertemined thought we may not even realize we're reading into the passage.

What are your thoughts about Jeremiah 4 and their reference to Genesis?

Jere 4:23-26 Jeremiah seems to describes a pre-Adamite destruction.
Jere 4:23 I beheld the earth, and, lo, it was without form, and void; and the heavens, and they had no light. I beheld the mountains, and, lo, they trembled, and all the hills moved lightly. I beheld, and, lo, there was no man, and all the birds of the heavens were fled. I beheld, and, lo, the fruitful place was a wilderness, and all the cities thereof were broken down at the presence of the LORD, and by his fierce anger.
Is it Pre-Adamite (before Adam) because we read it occurred when the earth was "void and without form". That fits Gen 1:2.

WHEN were mountains trembling?
WHEN was there no man?
WHEN was the fruitfulness place a wilderness?

ANSWER: When the earth was void and without form (Jeremiah 4:23).

This chapter was speaking about Israel's sin and Jerusalem's judgment. But their sin seems to remind God of something far more ancient that was similar and also required judgment -- rebellion. When considering their judgment and sin, He was reminded of the time the earth was void and without form.

And it is interesting that these passages in Jeremiah are very similar to what we read about Lucifer. I know Lucifer was a Babylonian king, but it's like we're reading about more than him...
Isai 14:16-17 They that see thee shall narrowly look upon thee, and consider thee, saying, Is this the man that made the earth to tremble, that did shake kingdoms; That made the world as a wilderness, and destroyed the cities thereof; that opened not the house of his prisoners?
JEREMIAH
4:23 ...the earth, and, lo, it was without form, and void;
ISAIAH
14:12 How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer,

JEREMIAH
4:24 ...the mountains, and, lo, they trembled, and all the hills moved lightly
ISAIAH
14:16 ...made the earth to tremble, that did shake kingdoms

JEREMIAH
4:26 ...the fruitful place was a wilderness,
ISAIAH
14:17 ...made the world as a wilderness,

JEREMIAH
4:26 ...all the cities thereof were broken down
ISAIAH
14:17 ...and destroyed the cities thereof
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