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[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Aquila

Here's something that I learned from a rabbi.

Aquila, is the Rabbi going to heaven?

Does the Rabbi believe in Jesus?

[Aquila]

I believe that Christ's work on the cross provided full atonement, satisfying every minute detail of the Law, on our behalf. In addition, He provided full propitiation, meaning He bore the fullness of God's anger and wrath against us. In Christ, we're reckoned dead and buried with Him. Hidden in Christ. Covered by the blood. Through the abiding presence of the Holy Ghost, our spirits, our inner man, partakes in the divine nature and is a sinless new creature. But the soul, our mind needs renewal through prayer, study, and meditation on the Word. These things bring the soul and the spirit into alignment. Without this alignment, one has no peace, but rather guilt, shame, anxiety, depression, and ultimately a since of hopelessness. This can cause one to lose faith and depart from the Way and be lost. The body, or flesh, is very much unregenerated. It has all the carnal desires for fullness, ease, and pleasure. It is subject to genetics, hormones, sickness, aging, and death. One day, it will be raised and glorified. But right now, it is a sinful shell that opposes our spiritual goals and desires. And so, much of our sinful proclivities and behaviors are due to sin in our members. It isn't we who sins, but sin that dwells within us.

1 Corinthians 6:9-12 King James Version (KJV)
9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.
11 And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.
12 All things are lawful unto me, but all things are not expedient: all things are lawful for me, but I will not be brought under the power of any.

This verse is about sinners, not saints. We're washed, sanctified, justified in the name of Jesus. Though we might struggle with the flesh and carnal thinking, we're signed, sealed, and delivered. We can't wait to be free of this sinful flesh, which is fallen in nature, and pulls us back into sin and carnality time and time again. We hate our sin and weaknesses. And though the flesh pulls us into sin, some more than others, even to greater degrees than others, when we put on the mind if Christ, and follow the Spirit abiding in us, we rise again.

Sanctification is a process. There are times of seeming stagnation, and rapid growth at other times. It's a walk, not a staring contest, to maintain or be lost in the blinking of an eye. This is a steady and sure grace that allows us to be perfect in our authenticity.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Aquila

I believe that Christ's work on the cross provided full atonement, satisfying every minute detail of the Law, on our behalf. In addition, He provided full propitiation, meaning He bore the fullness of God's anger and wrath against us. In Christ, we're reckoned dead and buried with Him. Hidden in Christ. Covered by the blood. Through the abiding presence of the Holy Ghost, our spirits, our inner man, partakes in the divine nature and is a sinless new creature. But the soul, our mind needs renewal through prayer, study, and meditation on the Word. These things bring the soul and the spirit into alignment. Without this alignment, one has no peace, but rather guilt, shame, anxiety, depression, and ultimately a since of hopelessness. This can cause one to lose faith and depart from the Way and be lost. The body, or flesh, is very much unregenerated. It has all the carnal desires for fullness, ease, and pleasure. It is subject to genetics, hormones, sickness, aging, and death. One day, it will be raised and glorified. But right now, it is a sinful shell that opposes our spiritual goals and desires. And so, much of our sinful proclivities and behaviors are due to sin in our members. It isn't we who sins, but sin that dwells within us.

1 Corinthians 6:9-12 King James Version (KJV)
9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.
11 And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.
12 All things are lawful unto me, but all things are not expedient: all things are lawful for me, but I will not be brought under the power of any.

This verse is about sinners, not saints. We're washed, sanctified, justified in the name of Jesus. Though we might struggle with the flesh and carnal thinking, we're signed, sealed, and delivered. We can't wait to be free of this sinful flesh, which is fallen in nature, and pulls us back into sin and carnality time and time again. We hate our sin and weaknesses. And though the flesh pulls us into sin, some more than others, even to greater degrees than others, when we put on the mind if Christ, and follow the Spirit abiding in us, we rise again.

Sanctification is a process. There are times of seeming stagnation, and rapid growth at other times. It's a walk, not a staring contest, to maintain or be lost in the blinking of an eye. This is a steady and sure grace that allows us to be perfect in our authenticity.

What it looks like your saying is that sanctification is a process you will never attain until you own death buys you true salvation? Meaning you have to actually die, get buried and resurrect before you are really free from sin?
Jesus died so people would be partially free from sin? They would continue to struggle because of their epidermal tissue, bone, blood, and hair?

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

Aquila, is the Rabbi going to heaven?

Does the Rabbi believe in Jesus?

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[Aquila]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

You didn't answer me. You just posted a list of scriptures and then said all sin was an abomination. Therefore by your post, anyone crossdressing is sinning.

Yes, it is about cross dressing. And yes, it is a sin.

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

Are you sinless?

With regards to my spirit, my inner man, yes.

The mind, or soul, is renewed through the the Word, but struggles from time to time with carnal thinking.

My flesh, or body, it is still fallen sinful flesh. It's still under the curse. It's subject to cravings, genetic predispositions, hormones, sickness, disease, aging, and death.

What is sinless?

Being void of sinful inclinations, desires, and/actions.

What is remission of sins? When does someone have remission of sins?

It is the forgiveness of sin. Initially it begins with repentance and is completed at baptism. But it can also be attained subsequently through confession.

Will people still be sinning in heaven?

No.

Do you still continually sin?

I do my best to live a loving Christlike life. But, I can often feel the desire to sin in my flesh. My mind can be rather carnal if I neglect prayer and meditation. And I'd like to say that I never give in, but at times I do.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Aquila

With regards to my spirit, my inner man, yes.

The mind, or soul, is renewed through the the Word, but struggles from time to time with carnal thinking.

My flesh, or body, it is still fallen sinful flesh. It's still under the curse. It's subject to cravings, genetic predispositions, hormones, sickness, disease, aging, and death.

So, you are spiritually bipolar? Sort of like an ecclesiastical Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde? Jesus telling Judeans without the Holy Ghost they needed to not look at women and lust after them. Because that would be already considered adultery by Jesus. Yet, what Jesus was proposing was just some sort of poetic theatrics, because people are saved spiritually, but since they're epidermal tissue, blood, bone, hair, DNA, then that part is sinful? Are you gnostic? Then why on earth did Jesus say that if you even looked with lust at a woman you were committing the act of adultery? Was it because your spirit wasn't sinning, but your DNA was sinning? Do you even know what the term flesh means? It doesn't mean your fingernails, tears, and snot. It is your natural thinking process. Outside of Jesus' influence.

Originally Posted by Aquila

Being void of sinful inclinations, desires, and/actions.



It is the forgiveness of sin. Initially it begins with repentance and is completed at baptism. But it can also be attained subsequently through confession.



No.



I do my best to live a loving Christlike life. But, I can often feel the desire to sin in my flesh. My mind can be rather carnal if I neglect prayer and meditation. And I'd like to say that I never give in, but at times I do.

You are still the guy who sends his wife into the house to dress to your specifications. Bro, doing your best is doing this religiously through your own human discipline. This isn't some Shaolin Temple were we train ourselves to be good, to be Christlike. That's Hinduism, Buddhism, and Judaism. That my boy, is legalism. No matter if you are as barefoot as Jethro, wearing your Old Navy pineapple pattern shorts. If you think any of this is your own human discipline you are a legalist as any Chabad Lubavitcher Rebbe. Again, this is where you liberals drop the watermelon. While you stick your tongues out at the Ultra Conservatives. You guys are straining like a bowel movement passing cider blocks. trying to be Christlike while your inner man wants to cave someone's head in. You have to bite the bullet and through grit teeth, say, "I love you BROTHER!"

Sorry, but all that inner man sweet Jesus is a bunch of malarky if you have a mind full of porn.

You either got a good dose of Holy Ghost speaking in other tongues, or you are just going through the motions. Just waiting to implode and explode all over the pews.

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

Aquila, is the Rabbi going to heaven?

Does the Rabbi believe in Jesus?

You aren't commenting on the point I made. My point was that the bit of rabbinical wisdom was in step with how Christ dealt with the woman caught in adultery.

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

So, you are spiritually bipolar? Sort of like an ecclesiastical Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde? Jesus telling Judeans without the Holy Ghost they needed to not look at women and lust after them. Because that would be already considered adultery by Jesus. Yet, what Jesus was proposing was just some sort of poetic theatrics, because people are saved spiritually, but since they're epidermal tissue, blood, bone, hair, DNA, then that part is sinful? Are you gnostic? Then why on earth did Jesus say that if you even looked with lust at a woman you were committing the act of adultery? Was it because your spirit wasn't sinning, but your DNA was sinning? Do you even know what the term flesh means? It doesn't mean your fingernails, tears, and snot. It is your natural thinking process. Outside of Jesus' influence.


You are still the guy who sends his wife into the house to dress to your specifications. Bro, doing your best is doing this religiously through your own human discipline. This isn't some Shaolin Temple were we train ourselves to be good, to be Christlike. That's Hinduism, Buddhism, and Judaism. That my boy, is legalism. No matter if you are as barefoot as Jethro, wearing your Old Navy pineapple pattern shorts. If you think any of this is your own human discipline you are a legalist as any Chabad Lubavitcher Rebbe. Again, this is where you liberals drop the watermelon. While you stick your tongues out at the Ultra Conservatives. You guys are straining like a bowel movement passing cider blocks. trying to be Christlike while your inner man wants to cave someone's head in. You have to bite the bullet and through grit teeth, say, "I love you BROTHER!"

Sorry, but all that inner man sweet Jesus is a bunch of malarky if you have a mind full of porn.

You either got a good dose of Holy Ghost speaking in other tongues, or you are just going through the motions. Just waiting to implode and explode all over the pews.

Well, sounds like you have me all figured out, don't you? So, what's your verdict? Am I lost, backslidden, condemned where I stand? Or, might you claim I never received the Holy Ghost, so I was never saved to begin with? What is it?

Or could it be that something I said was so honest, so authentic, so in tune with your own experience, that it confronts you with your own hypocrisy, so you have no other recourse but to lash out with personal attacks? Do such attacks make you feel like a better man? Does your church give you extra points and pats on the back for saying these things?

Or, perhaps I've got this all wrong. Maybe your purpose is to demonstrate how wonderfully sinless and perfect you are. Maybe your purpose is to be such a fine example of holiness that I'll just fall at your feet in adoration.

I've been in this 28 years. I have no reason to stand here and pretend to be sinless, and I won't. I know who died for me. I know I'm an undeserving wretch, even on my best days. If I do get to heaven, I'm not worthy to enter even if it were to only shine your shoes.

I believe in the doctrine of grace. I believe that God loves you, even though you set out to purposefully hurt and offend me. And I'll gladly take what you have to offer. Because, I know that as long as you're scourging me wide open...you're not browbeating some poor soul who might be on the edge of losing their faith completely. I don't think you're lost. In fact, the grace that has saved me in my admitted imperfections, saves you in yours. You're only doing this because you're religion hasn't taught you better.

I believe in the doctrines of redemption.

1. Corporate Election (God's choice to save whosoever will enter into the body of Christ)
2. Predestination (God's predetermined glory for the church)
3. Atonement (Christ's work of satisfying the Laws demands for the church)
4. Propitiation (Christ's satisfying God's wrath against sin for the church)
5. Prevenient Grace (the Holy Spirit's drawing of the lost to Christ Jesus through both an inner and an outer calling)
6. Conversion (repentance & water baptism)
7. Justification (imputed righteousness received by faith at Conversion)
8. Regeneration (being born of the Spirit as a result of the baptism of the Holy Spirit)
9. Adoption (membership in God's family through the abiding presence of the Holy Spirit received at Regeneration)
10. Sanctification (growing into Christlikeness by taking part in the divine nature through the abiding presence of the Holy Spirit)
11. Death (the cessation of physical life after which one enters the intermediate state wherein the soul is present with the Lord in Heaven awaiting resurrection & glorification)
12. Resurrection & Glorification (receiving a resurrected and glorified body fashioned perfectly after the image of Christ)

And, it's all by grace.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Aquila

Well, sounds like you have me all figured out, don't you? So, what's your verdict? Am I lost, backslidden, condemned where I stand? Or, might you claim I never received the Holy Ghost, so I was never saved to begin with? What is it?

You are a religious legalist as any Eastern Orthodox Christain, Muslim, Hindu, Buddhist, or Orthodox Jew. Me figuring you out? Bro, if you haven't noticed yet, you have quite a bit of posts to you by other posters giving you their opinions on you as well. You are a product of our liberal culture, and modern corporate Churchanity. Other Christians (even moderate, and liberal) look at your "type" of Christianity and recoil. Because you bought into the "program" to eliminate what you have called the "1950s" style of Christendom?

You have posted that some of us live in a ghetto. But you and your wife need to live in a "better" part of town. Because we who live in the "ghetto" live in a dangerous area?

Ndavid pointed out aptly that those SJW who weep and wail for the huddled masses, don't want to live with those huddled masses. Oh, sure, you think people are "called" to Helping Hands ministries. Handing out baloney sandwiches on white bread to the dregs of society. Yet, they just do that to make yourselves feel godly.

But there is no way, you would live in their neighborhoods. Hey, chief, you know where the word "slumming" comes from? Go to pastor Google, and look it up. When you find the definition, then that's what your Industrial Church Complex does. It slums, with the poor and down trodden.

Building wells in some hell hole in Africa, and leaving the people with paperback Bibles? So they can go home to the United States and feel good about themselves. You posted that our stay at home moms were nothing more than sad women with no lives? My mother worked, I was a latch key kid. You claim you had some hard upbringing, but it seems that coming home to an empty hose wasn't one of those hardships.

Originally Posted by Aquila

Or could it be that something I said was so honest, so authentic, so in tune with your own experience,

When you type those words, it must feel like a euphoric rush. That's you. You want to so believe that about yourself. It is your crown, and the jewels which adorn it. Hey, we all want to feel like we are the hero, Batman saving Gotham. Yet, reality rolls out a very different carpet. Jesus has to increase, and we must decrease. You have what I call, "posters amnesia" which they accuse another poster of a crime in the opening of their posts, but then do the same crime. It is also known as Psychological projection. Which happens a lot in life when dealing with certain people.

Originally Posted by Aquila

that it confronts you with your own hypocrisy, so you have no other recourse but to lash out with personal attacks?

Then logically, this also applies to you? Bro, you may wear a glowing halo in other sections of this forum. Yet, you have people putting you on ignore because the way you deal with them concerning political topics. Pot? Meet Kettle.

There's no winners here, we are having discussions those discussions aren't actually debates, because they never end. This thread which was started by our resident Sybil, has been burned to the ground. Ashes scattered, brought back to life, and burned down again. It died the death of a thousand cuts.

Do our opinions go to the person who posts? Of course they do, because we are looking not only to what is being posted, but who is posting it. Everyone brings their personality with what they post. You don't like, then you would never do it to anyone else. I have seen street preachers get laid out flat, with a punch that sounded like a loud hand clap. Some of you jokers would never take your show on the road. Or if you did? There be a lot less talking, and more listening, with a lot more logical reasoning.

Originally Posted by Aquila

Do such attacks make you feel like a better man? Does your church give you extra points and pats on the back for saying these things?

Makes you feel better. Listen, don't ever dish out what you are not willing to eat yourself. Another thing the Democrats do is cry victim. Yet, when you see them engage, they start blowing out tires. Analogeorgan is one the calmest, smoothest posters on this forum. Not a lot of posting from the poster, but for the most part they are even and consistently mild. Yet, they placed you on ignore? To only have you come back, with a blow out comment. So, do yourself a favor hero. Before you go playing meek n mild, don't ever do the bloody n wild. For some ultra secret military dude, you sure crawfish into victim when needed.

Originally Posted by Aquila

Or, perhaps I've got this all wrong. Maybe your purpose is to demonstrate how wonderfully sinless and perfect you are. Maybe your purpose is to be such a fine example of holiness that I'll just fall at your feet in adoration.

Then the flipside to that, would be, you want everyone to see how inclusive you are? That you are the man of the people, how you want everyone to be taken care of, how you want everyone to be hugged, and tucked into warm beds? How your purpose is really to set man free, and show him brighter tomorrow? How this can all be attained by a societal change through legislative force, instead of Holy Ghost leading? Do you have a full back tattoo that says Frankfurt School?

Originally Posted by Aquila

I've been in this 28 years. I have no reason to stand here and pretend to be sinless, and I won't. I know who died for me. I know I'm an undeserving wretch, even on my best days. If I do get to heaven, I'm not worthy to enter even if it were to only shine your shoes.

That's a bunch of lip service. Words which make the speaker feel as prideful as those who say the opposite. One religious guy has pride in his piety, and the other religious guy has pride in his bogus ecclesiastical wretchedness.
Hence the sloppy agape, having to endure someone go on and on about how much they can't stop sinning but Jesus is just their tourniquet on their severed limb. Instead of carrying their cross and following Christ, they want to hang on their cross, struggle, and bleed to death. All the while screaming down to the masses telling them that this is the best it gets.

Originally Posted by Aquila

I believe in the doctrine of grace. I believe that God loves you, even though you set out to purposefully hurt and offend me. And I'll gladly take what you have to offer. Because, I know that as long as you're scourging me wide open...you're not browbeating some poor soul who might be on the edge of losing their faith completely. I don't think you're lost. In fact, the grace that has saved me in my admitted imperfections, saves you in yours. You're only doing this because you're religion hasn't taught you better.

Here it is, you are the hero. Hey, at least I can never say you aren't a good Democrat. Because you play the victim when needed. The above is the extent of your religion. As long as you feel good, happy, and justified. Then your religion works. Hurt and offend you? Seriously? Legalism dude, straight up, and served piping hot. You post the above drivel because you believe that what you need to do. That makes you "Christlike?" Bro, you don't mean a word of it. Not a word. You're the legalist, in an area where no one can measure your sleeve length. Getting dressed up like Hazelwood isn't hard bread eater. Not hard in the least. Being dressed up in the mind where no one can see what you really look like. That is where the rubber burns the road.