Saved Without A Pastor??

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Originally Posted by Apostolic1ness

Right, some of the wording in the post had me wondering if someone believed the angel of the churches was an actual angel.

Tithesmeister was saying that. But The word aggelos can be defined as "angel"; by implication a pastor." And it says Angel singular, church singular.

That Paul wrote about it at all let's you know its not a foreign idea to the time as is being said. Pastor or "poimen" means "shepherd pastor." Thayer says "the presiding officer, manager, director, of any assembly: so of Christ the Head of the church, of the overseers of the Christian assemblies."

I mean the whole argument is really about authority. Hebrews 13:7 says "Remember them which have the rule over you, who have spoken unto you the word of God: whose faith follow, considering the end of their conversation." What's in bold is the subject for verse 17 "Obey them that have the rule over you, and submit yourselves: for they watch for your souls, as they that must give account, that they may do it with joy, and not with grief: for that is unprofitable for you."

As we see this is "those who have spoken unto you the Word of God." So with the singular Angel of the church in Revelation and us knowing what Pastor is simply defined as, what does this tell us? I do agree this is talking about the 5 fold ministry, but one position by definition means "overseer of the church', letting us know what is intended by Angel of the church when they are receiving a letter written. Some of the Angels were rebuked with the church. While the angel or pastor of Thyatira was admonished because he wasn't in on the sin. And he apparently didn't compromise and allow it. This lets you know through the judgement given to some of the 7 churches angel that they had the seat of authority. They were at fault, just allowing it.