Saved Without A Pastor??

[Tithesmeister]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

Why is Jesus bringing up Imperial Roman Military Law?

I think you are taking the word servant to negate any sort of authority rulership quality? As a teacher, mentor, older brother would have over siblings. Jesus is still the Father, and requests us to be as mature as the Father. But, please proceed, there are two different Greek military phrases used, and want you to tell me their differences in meanings.

No brother. I’m not. Did you notice that I referred to Jesus as the King of kings. That is part of my point. They have been trying to water down the scripture by substituting other words for “rule over”. Now you’re doing it.

Notice the words in bold above. I should make a list of words y’all think “rule over” means. Does an older brother “rule over” younger siblings. I have older brothers and neither I, nor anyone else to my knowledge has ever referred to them as ruling over me.

A mentor is a ruler? Can you see how desperate y’all are to change the wording in Hebrews 13? It only repeats “rule over” three times?

How many times is elder, pastor, guide, mentor, teacher, and I don’t know how many others been used in this thread to substitute for “rule over”? I’m afraid to guess. And how many times do they appear in Hebrews 13? They are all tied at zero. Think about it. What is odd is that the words; king, prince, judge, emperor, etc, that actually DO have a similar meaning, have not been used by y’all as a substitute for “rule over” even once. And then 1ofthechosen posts a sermon where Phil White has the pastors and elders come to the front and then has the young people kneel before them because they have “authority issues” or something. Don’t worry, he doesn’t believe in man worship, it’s not that at all. Just kneel before God (and them).

Kneeling before men was frowned on in the Bible on several occasions. You mentioned the fellow servant that John the Revelator fell down to worship, who was rebuked for doing so. Cornelius fell down to worship Peter, and Peter told him to stand up because he was only a man. Meanwhile we have a well respected pastor requesting the young people to kneel before pastors and elders.

The grape 🍇 flavored kiddie drink is flowing. I can only hope and pray there’s no cyanide in it.

Good grief!!