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Originally Posted by peter83
hey man!!! you only like to speak?
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What in the world does that mean?
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BLESSED IS THE MAN THAT TAKES PART TO THE FIRST RESURRECTION!!!
ON HIM THE SECOND DEATH HAS NOT POWER!!
Do you understand that this did not came already?
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I told you that this refers to salvation, as Paul taught that salvation is a resurrection with Christ from the dead.
Eph 2:1-5 says we were dead when we were in trespasses and sins. And salvation is resurrection from that. That's why Paul said we were QUICKENED, past tense. Made alive from the dead, past tense.
I do not believe the first resurrection is one from the grave and physical death. And you have to show me that it has ot be physical resurrection from the grave and physical death.Nothing you said before in your other post proved that it is.
There is a first Resurrection coming in our future that's from the grave, but that's not what the first resurrection is about. The second Resurrection is the one that's from the grave and that's the one you and I are looking for.
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Is the forst resurrection (first) ones and for all in the end of ages!!
I dont have anyones theology neither i try to explain on my own words.
1ST AND ONLY RESURRECTION:
23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.
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You still are not proving it is a physical resurrection from the grave. I believe a resurrection from the grave is coming, but that's not what the first resurrection was talking about.
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Do you notice "we"? WE Me Paul you etc. will be resurrected at Christ SECOND COMING
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Yes, but that is not what the first resurrection is talking about in
Rev 20 according to how I studied this out. I am not saying I cannot be wrong. But I do not believe the second coming is what the first resurrection is talking about. I believe it is talking about salvation.
Not sure exactly what that means you just said here. But if it's what I think you're saying, I never said you believe in three comings. You are not reading my posts carefully enough. I said you believe in three physical resurrections. the first one is when Jesus arose 2,000 years ago. The second is at the second coming (rapture). The third is after the millennium. That's three physical resurrections. So, two of them, in your mind, are yet future. The last two. The second coming resurrection, and the resurrection after the millennium. That's like saying there are two more comings of Jesus!
If the rapture and the resurrection after the millennium are two physical resurrections, then it's like two comings of Jesus, not three.
But I said Paul disallowed for two more physical resurrections, with another one two thousand years ago when Jesus arose. Paul said after Jesus' resurrection 2,000 years ago, there IS ONLY ONE MORE resurrection from the grave. And that's the second coming.
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was one before Paul and there is Second AND LAST which is at the end:
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Right, you believe in THREE physical resurrections. I am saying that Paul disallows us to believe that. And I explained why before.
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24 Then [cometh] the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.
End , after the SECOND COMING and after the FIRST resurrection nof (WE) is the end.
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I cannot completely understand that sentence either.
I believe after the second COMING IS THE END. NO MORE resurrections. And since I believe the first resurrection is salvation, this means the second resurrection is the second coming.
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Physical resurrection:
35 But some [man] will say, How are the dead raised up? and with what body do they come? 36 [Thou] fool, that which thou sowest is not quickened, except it die:
[Thou] fool, you are not resurrected yet except you die.
. 42 So also [is] [B]the resurrection of the dead.[/B] It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption:
now you are corrupted but then you will be IN-CORRUPTED
43 It is sown in dishonour; it is raised in glory: it is sown in weakness; it is raised in power:
44 It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.
[Thou] fool you are not quichened of the DEAD. except you die, you put on the grave NATURAL body and then is raised up a SPIRITUAL body.
48 As [is] the earthy, such [are] they also that are earthy: and as [is] the heavenly, such [are] they also that are heavenly.
You are earthy now
49 And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly.
You image [Thou] fool you image is earthy
50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption
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Right! That is the SECOND COMING when the last and final resurrection takes place... the second coming is when the SECOND RESURRECTION takes place. Why? Because, Like I siad, the FIRST RESURRECTION is salvation, and is not PHYSICAL. The PHYSICAL resurrection is THE SECOND RESURRECTION.
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You not yet got the Kingdom except all we DIE and the be resurrected of the dead with new spiritual bodies
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Yes, we get new spiritual bodies. But, WRONG, The kingdom is here NOW.
How do you think we enter the kingdom NOW by being born of the water and Spirit? Jesus is KING NOW. He is seated at the right hand throne -- the only throne in Heaven -- and is ruling now. Paul said He MUST REIGN UNTIL all enemies are made his footstool. That's from
Psalm 110:1. That Psalm says "Sit thou at my right hand until I make thine enemies thy footstool." So, if he is SITTING til his enemies are made his footstool, and Paul said he is REIGNING until his enemies are his footstool, then HE IS SITTING ON THE THRONE RULING NOW.
1 Corinthians 15:25.. For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet.
He is reigning now.
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51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, ALL BE CHANGED
When?
52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
In a moment as the lightning, that lighteneth out of the one [part] under heaven, shineth unto the other [part] under heaven; so shall also the Son of man be in his day
at the last trump for the trumpet shall sound
16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, fro one end of heaven to the other.
the dead shall be raised incorruptible, the corruptible will raise incorruptible,
and we shall be changed. change! change! CHANGE!Thou fool your earthy corrupt phisycal body will CHANGE (if you live) and if you are dead ? and the dead shall be raised incorruptible
For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal [must] put on immortality.
How? Thou fool your corrupt earthy dirty fleshy body must pout on the new spiritual ,incorrupt IMMORTAL body. Yes your MORTAL must put on the IMMORTAL
54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory
Death is defeated thou fool? that will only happen when your corrupt mortal (falsing thinking and speaking ) body will raise up and you will be put on the New Immortal , only then and after you put on the immortal ,we can say Death is swallowed up in Victory
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Amen. THAT is the only physical resurrection that is going to happen in our future3. Not another one after a millennium. Nothing you said just above here is anything I disagree with. But it is the SECOND resurrection, because, again from the fifth time, the FIRST resurreciton is salvation.
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as you see i dont gave you mint or anyone else opinion,theology etc.It is all Scripture.
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And I agree with all that scripture.
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Come now and tell me that your father is defeated or bounded...he is free right now and as Csripture says "is the master and god of this world" ,right now is trying to deceive you that he dont have power thou fool..
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You cannot follow what I am saying so you call my father the devil. People reading this know you are totally misunderstanding everything I said. I agree the second coming is physical from the grave, dude!
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Come not to tell me that forst resturection happened and we wait the seocnd (thou fool):
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Okay, you're way out of line.. You called me fool and said my father is the devil..
Admins need to deal with you.
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10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
11 [Seeing] then [that] all these things shall be dissolved, what manner [of persons] ought ye to be in [all] holy conversation and godliness, 12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?2 13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.
1)They were waiting for the Lord First Coming ,the same as Peter did
2)In which the heavens will be on fire and the elements shal melt with fervent
3) And after that New Earth is coming ...
Peace be to you (after repenting and reading a second time what i wrote ,but without anger now )
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You need to repent again after calling me a fool and saying my father is the devil.
You need to take some reading lessons while you're at it.
Mat_5:22.. But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.