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Originally Posted by mfblume
Fair enough. But being strong or weak in faith is a reality, and I do believe ther eis weakness of faith in sabbath keeper on that issue when compared to those who claim otherwise. You obviously believe you are more advanced in this issue than I am, or you would not disagree with my stance, on thie issue. But I do claim that's what Paul spoke about by describing those weak in faith, for that is the context, and it's nothing personal. Neither is it anything to brag about, for Paul stated that the more he learned about what was true, the more he realized that he knew nothing. For God to speak to someone about an issue is nothing to boast about. While the legalist is warned to not judge, the enlightened are warned to not despise.
It's not doing, and Paul addressed that in Colossians 2 as part of the touch not, taste not handle not ordinances of the elements of the world, which I know you claim are not what Paul meant by elements of the world.
As I said, someone I know honestly and sincerely set out to do that with twice of much work on a Friday as any other day, so that Saturday's food was all prepared. And it is more work on the sixth. It just is. You work twice as much on the sixth day to do none of the seventh, so far as food is concerned, and other things that must be done before the
seventh day arrives when it cannot be done. Chores. etc. This person told me it was really wracking. They were not engaging in it to argue a point, but to honestly try it. And to think that all of that change and effort is necessary to keep the sabbath, shows quite an effort to change, let alone work twice as much on the sixth day.
..if you are right in saying sabbath day is not fulfilled with a spiritual rest instead of the shadow.
But go for it! If that's what you see in the word, do so. I disagree with you on this in very strong terms. But we are not serving each other. We serve God. Blessings! |
Brother Blume,
If I understand the debate, you believe that all of the Ten Commandments but the one concerning the sabbath, are still in effect.
Esaias believes that ALL ten of the commandments including observing the sabbath are still in effect.
I believe you are both wrong. You are wrong about nine commandments, and Esaias is wrong about ten. Because I believe that the OLD covenant WAS the Ten Commandments.
I have already posted scripture that shows that the covenant was referred to as the Ten Commandments. But there are two. Then there is the fact that God ordered Moses to have an ark built to house the tables of stone.
Deut.10
[1] At that time the LORD said unto me, Hew thee two tables of stone like unto the first, and come up unto me into the mount, and make thee an ark of wood.
[2] And I will write on the tables the words that were in the first tables which thou brakest, and thou shalt put them in the ark.
God told Moses to build an ark.
What is an ark?
Let me quote Merriam Webster:
\ ˈärk \
Definition of ark (Entry 1 of 2)
1a : a boat or ship held to resemble that in which Noah and his family were preserved from the Flood
b
: something that affords protection and safety
If you go with definition b, which I believe applies here, you actually have God telling Moses to build a structure that will provide protection and safety for the two “tables of stone” that the Ten Commandments were written on.
So it shouldn’t be any surprise that the structure built to protect the ”covenant” aka the Ten Commandments would come to be known as the Ark of the Covenant. It is this covenant that is referred to as the OLD covenant in Hebrews. The old covenant is the Ten Commandments.
Therefore the commandment to observe the sabbath is long gone. And so are the others. Now it is interesting that the other commandments are reiterated in the NT, but the admonition to observe the sabbath is not.
So Esaias and I agree on one thing. If the sabbath commandment is gone, or vanished, so are the others. Which brings up another key point in . . .
Hebrews 8
[13] In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away.
If the old covenant was ready to vanish away, some two thousand years ago, what are the chances that it is still hanging around today? Because if it was ready to vanish, that would mean all of the necessary conditions were met for it to vanish. So if this old covenant, that has vanished away, doesn’t refer to the covenant known as the Ten Commandments, or the Ten Commandments known as the covenant, then pray tell what covenant is this verse referring to?
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