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Old 12-05-2020, 09:19 AM
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Re: The Manchild Ministry 45 Minutes

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The vast majority of American oneness Pentecostals believe God had a plan and a people in the old testament, and then instituted a new plan with a new people in the new testament. I have visited UPC and independent OP and ALJC churches from Texas to Washington to Tennessee and places in between, and that is what they believe and teach.

Moreover, as revealed here on this very forum, in PRACTICE most oneness Pentecostals live AS IF the God and religion of the New Testament and today is for all practical purposes a DIFFERENT God and religion than what is revealed in the old testament.

This is a DIRECT PRODUCT of dispensationalist teaching propagated among the Wesleyan Holiness revivalists of the late 19th century and Baptists of the early 20th century, which DOMINATED early 20th century oneness pentecostal ecclesiology, eschatology, and soteriology.

There were exceptions (there always are exceptions) but reading early OP writings from the time of the Arroyo Seco Campmeeting on through the 30s and 40s will show the fundamentally DISPENSATIONALIST ideology undergirding most oneness Pentecostal thought.

OPs always modify the dispensationalist paradigm, as do most dispensationalists other than the tiny handful of folks who try to stick close to the teachings of John Darby or Cyrus Scofield (like the leftover "Bible Students" who follow Charles Taze Russel but reject the Watchtower Society). But underlying most OP faith and practice, for the majority, is a basically dispensationalist view of things.

Replacement Theology is a catholic belief shared by many Protestants as well. It is common among OPs in two basic forms: 1. The classic version which states God is simply done with the descendants of Jacob and is only focused on a universal ("catholic") religious movement called "the church", held mostly by OP preterists, partial preterists, and Idealists (with some exceptions, of course); and 2. The dispensationalist version which holds that God's program for Israel and His program for the church are two distinct programs for two distinct entities, one of which (the church) has temporarily replaced the other (Israel), and which will be reversed during the Tribulation or somewhere around that time.

Again, there are exceptions and varying shades of all this, but that's it in a nutshell.
I think it is about your personal experience and perception. I don't think most Pentecostals teachers believe in strict dispensationalism. Maybe a modified one, or they dropped it all together.

Regarding Wesleyan, I thought they believed in Covenant Theology.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wesley...enant_theology

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Methodism maintains the superstructure of classical covenant theology, but being Arminian in soteriology, it discards the "predestinarian template of Reformed theology that was part and parcel of its historical development."
There is also a confusion of terminology and misunderstanding as well. Some think Calvin was a dispensationalist with two dispensations, even though he died way before Darby started the whole thing. So, now everything can be a "dispensation", anything that smells like it.
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