That's what I thought. You don't have a response and I know why. Your first mistake was posting only the chorus as if that was all there was to the song. In comparison, I posted the entire chapter. There is more to the song you cited than "To worship you I live, I live to worship you".
The topic was about ''chanting" or repetition. Now you are swerving the issue by comparing the ''depth and meaning'' of both songs... The issue isn't about depth although there is depth in both songs. The issue has do with what is perceived as a chant.
If you can't back up what you say. Don't say it all. Of course we knew all along there was no substance to your comments. You proved there is no defense for the indefensible.
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If you can't see the difference in the depth and meaning of them I can't help you................
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You will have to forgive me on this one but I cannot see, or do not understand, how you think his comments were not literal and can be separated from the actual occurance and those with whom this occurance took place.
You can try to cover him all you want, but the bottom line is this, he said the worship was golden calf worship, that means the worshipppers (ESPECIALLY THOSE LEADING IT) were golden calf worshippers...
Now that right there is a pretty lethal charge against the camp!
Cover him? LOL! BS hardly needs me to cover him or anything else. I'm merely giving my understanding of his words as I read them, that's all.
Jesus beat the moneychangers out of the temple. It wasn't the actions that were wrong, but the setting they were doing them in that was.
Using your logic, Jesus thought moneychanging at all was wrong, but this isn't the case.
I don't see BS saying that words or the songs were wrong, but the music as he heard it, was. This might not be the same music that was heard by others, but I've 'felt' things in music and services before that weren't right, but nobody else around me seemed to notice. That doesn't make me wrong in what I felt.
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Cover him? LOL! BS hardly needs me to cover him or anything else. I'm merely giving my understanding of his words as I read them, that's all.
Jesus beat the moneychangers out of the temple. It wasn't the actions that were wrong, but the setting they were doing them in that was.
Using your logic, Jesus thought moneychanging at all was wrong, but this isn't the case.
I don't see BS saying that words or the songs were wrong, but the music as he heard it, was. This might not be the same music that was heard by others, but I've 'felt' things in music and services before that weren't right, but nobody else around me seemed to notice. That doesn't make me wrong in what I felt.
I am sorry HO, but you are thinking too much in the mystical here.
BS said what he said...you cannot separate his comments about the worship and those who were leading the worship...
If it was golden calf worship, then it was golden calf worship!! When Moses came off the mountain there was no mystical..."Well it's a spiritual apllication and Moses was feeling something higher thnan the rest" stuff...people died that day right on the spot because you cannot separate the worship from the worshipper.
If what BS said is true, then people are dead spiritually!!!!!!!!! Some of them being some of the most respected leaders in the UPC!
Again, I think there is more to it than what you are seeing. I think there was something more heard by him, as I'm sure it wasn't the first time BS had ever heard those songs being sung.
I have 'felt' things in music before, even though I'd heard the songs sung and some of them I really liked, but the spirit was different, and since BS was speaking about the spiritual side of the campmeeting, I thought he was referring to the spiritual side of the music as well.
Well excuse me, I did not realize that Elder Strange was such an authority on musical matters.
If he is that perceptive on music, he could be making alot of money teaching at Julliard University or Berklee College!
If its a spiritual issue on music, someone please get him to one our "seminaries" so they can here this voice of reason!!
To some youth, Christian Rock is viable worship music. But to me, it is from the pits of hell I was delivered out of when I returned to the church. Even some contemporary Christian music has the same spirit. It is hard to get a youth to understand this. The "words" can be all about Jesus, but the spirit behind the song, which I recognize because I was there, is not of God at all.
Not everyone understand what I am saying, and there is no way for me to give you understanding. Some are more sensitive than others in certain area's. It doesn't make one more spiritual than another. It is just Gods giftings within the church.
He said the worship was like the golden calf worship that Moses encountered and that it was driven by "another spirit".
Who was in charge of the worship?
POA...
So what does it really matter at this point what he wrote concernng VM and POA in the past?
His comments about the camp worship...driven primarily as influenced by POA...must show that he now disagrees with the direction not only of the camp, but of the influencing factor--POA.
The letter was written 13 years ago . . .
A lot changes in 13 years . . . shoot, a lot changes overnight according to BS' post about the LA Campmeeting.
One night after the service it's doom and gloom, church going to hell in a handbasket.
24 hours later after the next service . . .
Woo hoo! God's great. Church is back on the path. All's well with the world.
I just wouldn't put much stock into what was written 13 years ago, when he made a dramatic 180 in 24 hours.
I am sorry HO, but you are thinking too much in the mystical here.
BS said what he said...you cannot separate his comments about the worship and those who were leading the worship...
If it was golden calf worship, then it was golden calf worship!! When Moses came off the mountain there was no mystical..."Well it's a spiritual apllication and Moses was feeling something higher thnan the rest" stuff...people died that day right on the spot because you cannot separate the worship from the worshipper.
If what BS said is true, then people are dead spiritually!!!!!!!!! Some of them being some of the most respected leaders in the UPC!
First of all, do me a favor and don't tell me what I can or can't do. I'm in charge of that area of my life. Thanks.
Secondly, BS stated several times about the spirits he was feeling, and thus the reason I applied that statement to his comments about the music. If I'm wrong, he'll be sure and tell me, I promise you.
Lastly, I was not there, so I'm only going by the statements made by those who were.
I was at the WI campmeeting last night and thought it was great. Now, someone else could come on here and speak about the evil spirits they felt, and while I disagree as none were felt by me, how can I tell them they didn't feel any when I'm not residing in their body and mind?
If BS states what he felt at a campmeeting, you all have a right to disagree, but you are also judging your statements on what you felt, just as he is doing. You have the right to do that just as he is doing. There is no difference in the two.
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