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Old 07-09-2007, 09:17 PM
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Steadfast,
I have prayed with you, been in your pulpit, eaten with you and I do consider you a very important friend, mentor and confidant. However I must say this, knowing full well it will not affect our appreciation for one another.

The "arenas" of which you speak, if you were to list them, will, I feel, ALWAYS boil down to what you would consider "Apostolic". There is NOTHING wrong with alot of what is happening, since it is birthed out of a hunger and a deep desire for some to feel out after God.

As Pastor Anthony said..."Holiness is not just taking away and putting aside....Holiness is also about branching out and seizing opportunities."

In YOUR circle...your version of "revival" is breaking out....GREAT....I celebrate that.

But in MY circle revival is also breaking out.....
Revival is revival and souls are souls and and the church will go forward.
But we must acknowledge the fact that God will not tolerate us keeping him our little box and our little paradigmn very long until he has to bust out.
And when he does, you can be assured it will be in ways we will think strange and out of the ordinary.
As to this whole thread.....WE need to stop acting like spiritual giants and stop the rhetoric if "we felt"...and realize that God can and will move in ways that our "feelers" are messed up.

Bro. Strange...I love you and I know you do me...but this whole thread disturbs me and I am quite discouraged at the image that you have painted about good men in our org.

Humbly My take on this,
Bro. Dan
Dan the Man,

You know from the one time that you were here that I'm not a 'brutish' man. Never have been and never will be unless provoked and have no recourse. It's just not a part of my nature to be obnoxious... but I do stand my ground on spiritual matters. I preface my statements only to let you know that I'm not 'attacking' you or anybody else.

My issue with your post, if I read it right, is that it's like many others that seem to imply that 'God accepts your way and, while totally different, God accepts my way just as much'. Sincerely, I don't really believe that those standing on 'spiritual' polar opposites are both right. Mind you, I'm not referring to you, personally, but to the tenure of your post. Simply put, there is a right and a wrong. On many issues that people say, "I'm okay; you're okay" God genuinely has an opinion and it won't agree with both factions. He is sovereign and has a right to opinions that are totally different than ours at times.

I do believe revival is being poured out in some arenas. I also believe that some people are stripping away anointing and 'supplementing' the lack of real Apostolic power with talented attempts at entertainment. It's sad to me that I go to places that scream, "Man! We had Church!" when all they had was flashing lights and someone trying really, really hard to be 'relevant' to this generation to the point they water down the impact of a true Apostolic experience.

My observations have nothing to do with Pastor A. Mangun or even the Louisiana Campmeeting. It does have to do, however, with being in 20 states and 4 different countries in the last 12 months and seeing a whole lot of 'stuff' being called Apostolic that isn't.

We have kicking services... you saw one the night you were here. We have kicking music... you even alluded to the volume being too loud. We have flashing lights that we use in banquets and such. My issue is with none of those things like music or modern attempts to reach the lost. My problem is the mentality that suddenly thinks that gut wrenching prayer, sincere dedication that results in a sanctified life and fearless preaching isn't enough anymore.

I think I know what you're trying to say, Brother, and I probably just misunderstood what you typed. Even so, I simply can't buy a 'the two different groups don't believe anything remotely alike but, hey, we're all going to the same place and having the same revival... and all of us are pleasing to God' mindset.

I think we ALL miss the boat by not seeking God's opinion more than we value ours.

Blessings.
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