Water baptism, can you agree with this statement?

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Originally Posted by Encryptus

Your analogy does not seem to flow sorry. But IF I understand, you are trying to have someone draw the conclusion Yes to the first question. If so I assume you are referring to equating the BHG as raised to newness of life (resurrection), and that cannot come without death and burial? Death and burial of course being repentance and water baptism. If so then by your analogy it would be IMPOSSIBLE for one to resurrect without dying and being buried, therefore no one could receive BHG before water baptism.

In a perfect situation, yes.

But you made it very clear in your earliest posts here that many of us have no answer for your demand that until we can EXPLAIN how Cornielus' house received the Holy Ghost, in the same manner that the Jews did, without having ALREADY been water baptised.

My answer to you is this.
God established a means for YOUR 'old man' to be crucified by following your faith into the waters of baptism.
God provides his Spirit to those who, in faith, call upon his name, desiring him to make his habitation in their heart.

The two are not mutally dependant but both operate to establish the completeness of the outcome of our Lord and Saviour's redemptive work at Calvary.

If you are fine with dragging your 'old man', alive and well, where ever you go,
AND
you have received God's Holy Spirit to lead you in all truth
then
you will either burst (leaving the whole crazy God issue for somebody else) or your double-mindedness will drive you to a place where you will eventually oppose your own self.

If you have NOT received the gift of the Holy Ghost, then double-mindedness will not be the issue you will face.

Pharoah's deal as a ruler was well served by his slaves.

You think your old carnal mindedness is just going to boogey because you confess Jesus? If you do, I'd be very careful rebuking any real devils.

God has made a way. You go ahead and choose whatever you want. Just be careful if you are teaching others that there is no remedy for the monkey on their back, just because you have grown so accustom to one on your's.