The World's Most Butchered Scriptures?

[pelathais]

I'm just getting started for the day and haven't caught up on all the posts in this thread yet, but has anyone mentioned Acts 2:15?

For these are not drunken, as ye suppose, seeing it is but the third hour of the day.

We Apostolics have added an inflection to the "as ye suppose..." We also add the comment, "Peter didn't say they weren't drunk! He just said they were not drunk, as ye suppose...!"

This has added an aspect to our worship and behavior that the NT probably did not intend.

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by freeatlast

I started searchin gthis out some time ago and never finished.

We all have heard Moses was a stutterer.

I think he claimed to be "slow of speech"

I think what Moses was saying that did not give a quick answer but rather had to spend some time thinking things out before he spoke.

Any one have the answer, Did Mose's stutter or was just not quick to give an answer?

Albert Barnes: The double expression “slow of speech (Eze_3:5 margin) and of a slow tongue” seems to imply a difficulty both in finding words and in giving them utterance, a very natural result of so long a period of a shepherd’s life, passed in a foreign land.


Adam Clarke: but I am slow of speech, and of a slow tongue; had some impediment in his speech, could not freely and easily bring out his words, or rightly pronounce them; so Lucian (t) the Heathen calls Moses slow tongued, or one slow of speech, and uses the same word the Septuagint does here, which version perhaps he had seen, and from thence took it.

Keil and Delitzsch: “but am heavy in mouth and heavy in tongue” (i.e., I find a difficulty in the use of mouth and tongue, not exactly “stammering”); and that “both of yesterday and the day before” (i.e., from the very first, Gen_31:2), “and also since Thy speaking to Thy servant.” Moses meant to say, “I neither possess the gift of speech by nature, nor have I received it since Thou hast spoken to me.”

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Originally Posted by Darcie

A few weeks back I was in a service when the Evangelist quoted Acts 2:37

Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren, what shall we do?
(he added) to be saved.

(that's not what it says)

It is what is inferred though...

Act 2:40 KJV And with many other words did he testify and exhort, saying, Save yourselves from this untoward generation.

Acts 2:38-39 and MANY OTHER WORDS.

[pelathais]

Originally Posted by Pastor Poster

Isaiah 28:11 “For with stammering lips and another tongue He will speak to this people, To whom He said, “This is the rest with which you may cause the weary to rest,” and, “This is the refreshing”; yet they would not hear.”

This passage has nothing to do with the baptism of the Holy Ghost!

That's an interesting one because Paul does associate that passage with "speaking in tongues" in 1 Corinthians 14:6-40 (see especially 1 Corinthians 14:21), and in that context it appears to imply "by the Spirit..."

What is it then? I will pray with the spirit, and I will pray with the understanding also: I will sing with the spirit, and I will sing with the understanding also. 16 Else when thou shalt bless with the spirit, how shall he that occupieth the room of the unlearned say Amen at thy giving of thanks, seeing he understandeth not what thou sayest? 17 For thou verily givest thanks well, but the other is not edified.

Where we OP's tend to go astray is when we try and take the KJV's Isaiah 28:11 ("stammering lips") and tell people that this is how the recieve the Holy Ghost- First with stammering or stuttering and then with a better enunciated "other tongue" or language.

But Paul actually translates Isaiah better than the OT KJV does. In 1 Corinthians 14:21, Paul say, "With men of other tongues and other lips will I speak unto this people..." The phrase "stammering lips" in the Hebrew of Isaiah does not mean to stutter or stammer, but foreign or other language.

[vrblackwell]

I believe the number one misquoted verse in Pentecost is Acts 2:38 which says'

"Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost."

However, I have heard it quoted all to many times like this.

Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost, with the evidence of speaking in other tongues".

I guess those who quote it this way does not feel as though Peter said it right.

[SDG]

Originally Posted by vrblackwell

I believe the number one misquoted verse in Pentecost is Acts 2:38 which says'

"Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost."

However, I have heard it quoted all to many times like this.

Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost, with the evidence of speaking in other tongues".

I guess those who quote it this way does not feel as though Peter said it right.

You know this one ... and 2:37 are untouchable ... step back.

[Darcie]

Originally Posted by mfblume

It is what is inferred though...

Act 2:40 KJV And with many other words did he testify and exhort, saying, Save yourselves from this untoward generation.

Acts 2:38-39 and MANY OTHER WORDS.

YOU may think that's what is inferred, but it is still not what is says.

[Jack Shephard]

Originally Posted by deltaguitar

John 3:5

4Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother's womb, and be born?

5Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.

6That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.

Somewhere along the way people got the idea that being born of the water had to do with Baptism. I thought Baptism was being buried with Christ.

I never understodd that one either. I never heard it any different than the baptism way until I heard Eddie Cupples talk about it. I have thought that maybe it was talking about the physical birth not baptism. But some oneness people preach that as false Doctrine as if that was the only verse that suggests someone should be baptized.

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Originally Posted by Darcie

YOU may think that's what is inferred, but it is still not what is says.

It IS what is inferred and says so much when you read verse 40. You may not wish to believe that, but it is the case.

[SDG]

Originally Posted by mfblume

It IS what is inferred and says so much when you read verse 40. You may not wish to believe that, but it is the case.

Um .... Consistency ... thou art foreign to AFF ... I highly doubt you'd accept the "but it's inferred" argument when faced w/ a futurist ... or someone else and their pet doctrine ... IT AIN'T THERE, BLUMIE.