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You can escape the fact that if she wasn't over men in some capacity, there would have been no reason for Paul to instruct those men to do as she needed.
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The above statement makes no sense could you possibly try to make that thought a bit clearer? Escape the fact? When did you present a fact that Phebe was over men? Did you glean the "fact" because Paul asks the Romans to help her? You are not making a clear case for this argument.
How do you determine that? Please explain?
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The instruction would have been to Phoebe, not the men.
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To help her concerning her business as in her errands to assit. Nothing more.
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And 'succourer' is a woman set over others. No, it doesn't mention men, but it doesn't exclude them either.
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Wait a minute so are you saying that we build doctrines from one Greek Lexicon? I gave you chapter and verse, and you are holding on to one Greek Lexicon's statement? That's good, that's real scary.
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I don't believe Paul was the idiot you seem to think he was.
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Oh that's good, you getting a little tired. That was uncalled for. Hey, I'm trying to have a discussion with you. You don't need to show me that you're running out of fuel by putting words into my mouth. Lighten up. Are you running out of steam? Then go study this out and come back when you have your good stuff together. Don't get nasty. I'm not doing anything wrong.
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I think he knew exactly what he was talking about when he called her a 'succourer of many'.
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Which simply meant she helped or assited many. You are putting more into this verse than truth allows.
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There is a reason why that word is mentioned only in regard to her and not others.
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There are many other women who were among the apostles and Phebe was an assistant, someone who ran errands. Please prove how she was over men in a teaching capacity.
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I believe Paul when he spoke of her and considered her a leader.
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WHAT!?!? Where did you come up with that? Prove that statement.
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You can explain Paul's words away all you want, but I still have them in my Bible.
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Wonderful her's your chance to shine, prove what you said. Paul consider her a LEADER? What?
In Jesus name
Brother Benincasa
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