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Originally Posted by pelathais
Hi slave4him, thanks for posting. My intial response when I see ICR material is the embarassment that I felt when I used to promote this stuff. I started out on this topic many years ago as a YEC who was simply trying to understand the "Age of the Earth" debate. I was involved in full time ministry at the time so naturally my research was coming out in my preaching as well. I had to do a lot of catching up to even understand most of the questions that were being put forth.
The RATE program began after it was pointed out repeatedly by "evolutionists" that the YEC's arguments on radioactive decay rates were all based upon a deliberate twisting of a footnote in a Univ. textbook by ICR staff. The footnote dealt with the proper methods in collecting samples for testing. For example, if you visit a Hawaiin volcano and take up a lava sample that was known to have been deposited 100 years ago - you should collect only lava from that flow. To instead collect a xenolith (a rock "from elsewhere" that was carried along by the flow) and claim that your sample is "100 years old" is to be intentionally deceptive.
Of course after reading that, the ICR staff immediately went out collecting xenoliths from a variety of places. Hawaii, Mount Saint Helens, etc. I have a pic at home of ICR "scientists" gleefully picking out gravel from a mudflow at Mount Saint Helens. They then shipped the gravel "samples" to a lab and got back dates in the millions of years. Yet the mudflow was created in 1981. They trumpeted that for 20 years before they were called "liars" enough times that they had to go back to the drawing board.
The RATE, program was the result of that. I'm breaking this post up to avoid overwhelming folks with too much info at once. In the next post we'll take about RATE. But for starters, remember that RATE was necessary because ICR staff had been caught repeatedly in a lie.
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What you say here may all be true. But I do not take my position based off of the ICR. There are many others whom the ICR and answers in Genesis post their articles. Have you ever heard of Arlo Moehlenpah, D. Sc. He graduated with a Bachelor of Science degree from Washington University in 1957, a Master of Science degree from the University of Minnesota in 1960, and a Doctor of Science degree from Washington University in 1970. These degrees were in Chemical Engineering with an emphasis in physical science. He also graduated from Apostolic Bible Institute with a Bachelor’s degree in Apostolic Studies.
I get alot of my information from him and Kent Hovind who before you say it I know hes in Jail for not paying his taxes. He may not be good at rendering to caesar what is caesars but he does make more sense than the hundreds of evolutionist and secular scientist that he has debated.
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