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Originally Posted by Steve Epley
The promise is given it doesn't say WHEN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
There are only two reasons folks do not recieve the Holy Ghost.
1. They have not repented.
2. They do not believe.
But ALL speak in tongues when they do.
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Ah.... so the baptism would have been performed on an unrepentant unbelieving sinner meaning that it would have had no effect at all for those who teach baptismal sin remission. Bro. Epley, do you rebaptize everyone who does not immediately speak in tongues upon their baptism? You are telling me the reason they do not speak in tongues is because they are unrepentant and/or unbelieving which would mean their baptism was meaningless. How long do you give a guy before you say there was something wrong with his heart? Can you do me a favor and show me the passage defining an adequate waiting period while the candidate is in spiritual limbo?
If you take the position that the baptism was indeed valid, then you are taking the position that an unrepentant and unbelieving man can have his sins remitted in baptism whether he repents/believes or not. I don't think you believe this.
If you take the position that the baptism was valid and the person did repent and believe, then we are left with another problem....
Colossians 2:12, at the very least, teaches we are risen with Christ at the time of baptism. How can a person be risen with Christ if he does not have the resurrecting Spirit of Life dwelling in him? Even if you say the time between repentance/faith/baptism and tongues speech is relatively short,
any time gap begs the question how a person can be risen with Christ without the Spirit. How can this be?