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Old 12-16-2007, 12:06 AM
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The bible declares that remission occurs at water baptism, not me. The putting off of the old man is accomplished when we are buried with Him in water baptism. So you are trying to convince the wrong person. Convince God that his word is in error, and that your "experience" is right.

I speak what I believe to be true according to the Word of God. There is no salvation outside of complete obedience to Acts 2:38.
We've pretty well beat that one to death here also.

"For" the forgiveness of sins can mean "in order to obtain" the forgiveness of sins or it can mean "because of the forgiveness of sins." The Greek word "eis" can be interpreted either way. We've seen all kinds of Greek scholars quoted and some give it one meaning and some the other.

The fundamental doctrine statement of the UPC was amended at the 1973 conference to add the words "for the remission of sin." The motion to add the words was made by S.G. Norris who believed it meant "in order to obtain remission of sin" and it was seconded by W.M. Greer who believed it meant "because of the remission of sin."
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