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Old 12-16-2007, 03:55 AM
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The bible declares that remission occurs at water baptism, not me. The putting off of the old man is accomplished when we are buried with Him in water baptism. So you are trying to convince the wrong person. Convince God that his word is in error, and that your "experience" is right.

I speak what I believe to be true according to the Word of God. There is no salvation outside of complete obedience to Acts 2:38.
Would you say that no one was saved from the time of the first century apostles until some time after the Arroyo Seco camp meeting in 1913?

If you believe that someone was saved during those 1,813 years of church history, could you name them for me, please. And remember, none of the "well Quakers spoke in tongues..." and "some people did baptize in Jesus name in the Middle Ages..." No bits and pieces; no invoking the "Light Doctrine" to get a Trinitarian Anabaptist into the kingdom.

Full salvation: repentence, baptism in Jesus name and the infilling of the Holy Ghost as evidenced by speaking in other tongues. Acts 2:38.

You have stated that there is no salvation outside of your view of Acts 2:38. Give of a list of the faithful who were saved according to the full salvation of Acts 2:38 from the years 100 A.D. through the year 1913. Or name as many as you can. List groups if you have to. But fill in the blanks below.

1. (the first person you can think of goes here)
2. (the second person goes here)
3. ( ... and so on ...)
4.
5.
6.
7.
8.
9.
10.
11.
12.
13.
14.
15.
16.
17.
18.
19.
20.

...

We're covering 1,813 years of chruch history... where's the church?

1,110.
1,111.
1,112.
1,113.
1,114.
1,115.

...

How many do you have so far?

896,789.
896,790.
896,791.
896,792.

...

Any?

10,456,111.
10,456,112.
10,456,113.
10,456,114.

...

Not even one name? Nobody fulfilled Acts 2:38 salvation for a period of 1,813 years? Nobody?

1,505,120,842.
1,505,120,843.
1,505,120,844.
1,505,120,845.
1,505,120,845.

...

How do you reconcile this with the idea that the church should at least exist throughout the time period covered by "Church History?" For you "Church History" appears to be only two periods of about 100 years seperated by almost 2,000 years in between.

Or are you comfortable with this phenomena? No church for around 1,813 years?
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