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12-21-2007, 07:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea
Nothing lazy tonite, Mizpeh ... as long as our terms are different ... our conclusions will be ... A WASTE OF TIME.
This passage deals w/ forgiveness ... and Aquila has presented some good thoughts ...
Your view on remission is dictating the interpretation of
this scripture as to fit your baptismal regeneration and salvational re-enactment doctrine.
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So how did the Apostles have the power to forgive or not forgive someone's sins? That is as Papal as anything.
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12-21-2007, 07:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Aquila
In this context (remember context is key) the sin is remitted upon the wayward's repentance as they are led to repentance by the apostle in question.
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Here is the context:
19 Then the same day at evening, being the first day of the week, when the doors were shut where the disciples were assembled for fear of the Jews, came Jesus and stood in the midst, and saith unto them, Peace be unto you. 20 And when he had so said, he shewed unto them his hands and his side. Then were the disciples glad, when they saw the Lord.
21 Then said Jesus to them again, Peace be unto you: as my Father hath sent me, even so send I you.
22 And when he had said this, he breathed on them, and saith unto them, Receive ye the Holy Ghost:
23 Whose soever sins ye remit, they are remitted unto them; and whose soever sins ye retain, they are retained.
Where does it mention repentance?
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Specifically, in context, the 11 disciples. However, Paul essentially teaches the same process in I Corinthians 15 and indicates that it is a process of church discipline.
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I'd like to believe what you are saying BUT there is no mention of forgiveness nor or remission in 1 Cor 5 and you will have to stretch it to find repentance...maybe here in verse 2 And ye are puffed up, and have not rather mourned,
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To establish a process by which spiritual authority can call for repentance and if necessary purge the church of those who are in continual sin and rebellion against Christ's gospel
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You want to apply this verse in John 20 to the church, why?
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12-21-2007, 07:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Praxeas
So how did the Apostles have the power to forgive or not forgive someone's sins? That is as Papal as anything.
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The same way you have the power to forgive those who offend and trangress against you Praxeas.
Y'all enjoy the rest of the evening ... I got to go wash ... I mean remit my dirty laundry.
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12-21-2007, 07:41 PM
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Eh....John Calvin?
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No, that's not his name. I think the guy was a former UPC but is now in an 'orthodox' denomination. Bro Elpey will know his name.
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His banner over me is LOVE.... My soul followeth hard after thee....Love one another with a pure heart fervently. Jesus saith unto her, Said I not unto thee, that, if thou wouldest believe, thou shouldest see the glory of God?
To be a servant of God, it will cost us our total commitment to God, and God alone. His burden must be our burden... Sis Alvear
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12-21-2007, 07:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea
The same way you have the power to forgive those who offend and trangress against you Praxeas.
Y'all enjoy the rest of the evening ... I got go wash ... I mean remit my dirty laundry.
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that's not at all what the verse is saying Dan and you know it lol
He never mentions being offended.
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Let it be understood that Apostolic Friends Forum is an Apostolic Forum.
Apostolic is defined on AFF as:
- There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
- The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
- Every sinner must repent of their sins.
- That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
- That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
- The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
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12-21-2007, 07:43 PM
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Originally Posted by mizpeh
No, that's not his name. I think the guy was a former UPC but is now in an 'orthodox' denomination. Bro Elpey will know his name.
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Bernie?
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Let it be understood that Apostolic Friends Forum is an Apostolic Forum.
Apostolic is defined on AFF as:
- There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
- The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
- Every sinner must repent of their sins.
- That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
- That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
- The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
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12-21-2007, 07:43 PM
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The same way you have the power to forgive those who offend and trangress against you Praxeas.
Y'all enjoy the rest of the evening ... I got go wash ... I mean remit my dirty laundry.
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Good night, Dan.
I've got a few things to do as well. 
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12-21-2007, 07:44 PM
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Bernie?
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Yep!
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12-21-2007, 07:45 PM
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The question is:
What did Jesus mean in Jn. 20:23, Mt. 16:19?
Since He uses the term remit we as Apostolic just look at the command then the obedience to that command it is simple.
Jesus said .....remission of sins should be preached in His Name BEGINNING at Jerusalem. Luke 25:47
When the man who was given the keys preached remission of sins it was to be performed at baptism. And the passage says "as many as recieved HIS word were baptized."
Thus He remitted their sins in obeying what Jesus told him to preach and to do.
So if we are wrong who misled us if it wasn't Jesus?
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12-21-2007, 07:46 PM
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Originally Posted by mizpeh
No, that's not his name. I think the guy was a former UPC but is now in an 'orthodox' denomination. Bro Elpey will know his name.
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Bernie is the name!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:santathum b
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