FOX Lies!! Barack Obama Pastor Wright

[chosenbyone]

Originally Posted by BrotherEastman

Chosen, this is a subjective statement based upon a biased opinion. Can you at least elaborate a little more, perhaps provide some sources and links to this profound claim. Please.

Easty-

The web is chock full of articles and statistics to substantiate that black on black violence numbers are higher than black on white violence. The reason is because when a black person is the victim the black offender knows that the police won't investigate the case as hard as they will when a white is the victim. The message that the black community hears/gets is that their lives are expendable.

The United States criminal justice system has frequently been characterized as inherently biased against Black people. That is, there are those who see the criminal justice system as part and parcel of the mechanisms which seek to maintain the status quo. If the status quo is understood to be a set of power relations that has Whites on the top, and Black people, (especially poor Blacks) on the bottom, then one can certainly argue that maintenance of the status quo has been achieved in the United States. For as Manning Marable suggests, “The foundations of the modern U.S. police state are designed specifically to ensure that the killings, rapes and property thefts of Blacks continue unabated—so long as whites (especially in the upper classes) remain protected.”3 In order to maintain this set of power relations, the criminal law has been employed as a means of legal control.4 As Richard Quinney states,

Criminal law is used by the state and the ruling class to secure the capitalist system, and, as capitalist society is further threatened by its own contradictions, criminal law will be increasingly used in the attempt to maintain domestic order. The underclass, the class that must remain oppressed for the triumph of the dominant economic class, will continue to be the object of crime control as long as the dominant class seeks to perpetuate itself, that is, as long as capitalism exists.5

Along those same lines, as the National Minority Advisory Council on Criminal Justice concluded in their national assessment of the impact of crime on minority communities, “America . . . is . . . a classic example of heavy-handed use of state and private power to control minorities and suppress their continuing opposition to the hegemony of white racist ideology.”6
In addition, there are others who suggest that because the criminal justice system is inherently racist, it can not but consider the race of the defendant in every stage of a Black person’s journey through the criminal justice system. As Nkecha Taifa, director of the Public Services Program at Howard University School of Law and cochair of the Criminal Justice Section of the National Conference of Black Lawyers said, “Invariably, people of color and the poor are subjected to disparate treatment at every stage of the criminal justice system, from arrest, prosecution and pretrial, to conviction, sentencing and parole decisions. That disparate treatment is a direct reflection of the institutionalization of racism in the system.”7

Public policy, particularly the so-called War on Drugs, is often seen as serving one primary purpose: the continued incarceration of Black males. (Tonry, 1995). For example, The Report of the National Criminal Justice Commission entitled: The Real War on Crime states that, “African-American arrest rates for drugs during the height of the “drug war” in 1989 were five times higher than arrest rates for whites even though whites and African-Americans were using drugs at the same rate.” As Earl Ofari Hutchinson stated “When the question is asked: Where are the white defendants? The police and prosecutors have a ready answer: “There’s as much cocaine in the Sears Tower or the stock exchange as there is in the black community,” says Charles Ramsey, head of the narcotics division of the Chicago Police Department, “but those guys are harder to catch.”8

When those in the criminal justice system believe that Whites “are harder to catch”, they inevitably concentrate their energies elsewhere, usually upon Black males. This directly contributes to the criminalization of Black males. For example, in “six California counties independently surveyed in 1995, 100 percent of those sent to trial on drug charges were minorities, while the drug-using population in these same counties was more than 60 percent white—and relatively untouched by law enforcement.”9 Across the country, incarceration rates for Blacks have greatly surpassed those for Whites and shockingly high percentages of young Black males are under some form of court-ordered supervision, (Marc Mauer, 1990, The Sentencing Project) even though no commensurate increases occurred in Black violence and drug use.10

The aforementioned Report of the National Criminal Justice Commission further states that “A race crisis of disastrous proportions is unfolding in the US criminal justice system.” The issue of race, particularly when an individual is Black, appears to be of tremendous importance in regards to the criminal justice system. As Manning Marable further states “The irony of the . . . ” war against crime” is that white police, politicians and law enforcement officers have been nonchalant, at best, in aiding and defending Blacks’ lives and personal property.11 Black Skin, White Justice: Race Matters in the Criminal Justice System
by
Gary Highsmith

[ChristopherHall]

Chosen,

I question if some of our Christian brethren really know what's happening outside of LeaveItToBeaverville. Based on their own statements they've displayed that they're woefully uninformed on this issue and many others. Unless they hear it coming from right wing propagandists like the false prophets of talk radio they will continue to march as foot soldiers for the established structure and all it represents.

We can only pray.

[chosenbyone]

Originally Posted by HeavenlyOne

Listen, you aren't going to like this, but what I speak is fact.

Black neighborhoods are well-known for being bad. And we aren't talking about simple breaking into cars or stealing lawn ornaments. They are horrible crimes that include murder, armed robbery, and rape. It's not the white people who are committing the crimes there, but the black people. I know black people who won't reside in black neighborhoods because of the crime rates.

In white neighborhoods, most of the murders are domestic related. Crimes like simple break-ins and stealing are more common. Rapes also happen but aren't likely to be random. Drugs are bad in both neighborhoods, but shootings over drugs are more likely to happen in the black neighborhoods.

Gangs have a lot to do with it. I'm not aware of white gangs, although there may be some that exist. I lived in neighborhoods where black and hispanic gangs were all that were seen.

The above being fact, it's no wonder that there are more blacks in the jails and prisons. This isn't the fault of the white man. This is each individual's fault.

Commit the crime, do the time. I don't care what color you are.

HO1,

Do you have a link to the website where you got your info that you posted above, because what I have read so far on the web was that many of your "facts" were incorrect?

I graciously thank you in advance, sister.

CB1

BTW, there are white gangs in America.

Trends in Gangs in the US:

In 1996, 53% of the respondents to the National Youth Gang Survey reported active gangs in their jurisdictions, but by 2000, the percent reporting active gangs dropped to 40%.
It is estimated that more than 24,500 gangs were active in the U.S. in 2000, which is a drop of 5% from the number estimated to be active in 1999. Despite this overall decrease in the number of gangs, cities with population over 25,000 reported a very slight increase in the number of active gangs from 1999.
It is estimated that 772,500 people in the U.S. were members of gangs in 2000, a drop of 8% from the number of active members in 1999, but again, cities with population over 25,000 experienced an increase in the number of active gang members despite the overall drop.
91% of cities with population over 250,000, 64% of cities with population between 100,000 and 250,000, 55% of cities with population between 50,000 and 100,000, and 32% of cities with population between 25,000 and 50,000 reported at least one homicide from 1999 to 2000 that was attributed to gang violence. In these cities, 47% said that the number of gang- related homicides had increased in their jurisdiction from 1999 to 2000.
It is estimated that 94% of gang members were male and 6% were female in 2000.
In 1999 it is estimated that 47% of gang members were Hispanic, 31% were African American, 13% were white, and 7% were Asian. These percentages seem to remain fairly steady over the years.

Black victims are over represented in homicides involving drugs. Compared with the overall involvement of blacks as victims, blacks are less often the victims of sex-related homicides, workplace killings, and homicide by poison.

Check out this link and scroll near the bottom to see the chart where homicides were broken down by race.

http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/homicide/race.htm

[chosenbyone]

Originally Posted by ChristopherHall

Chosen,

I question if some of our Christian brethren really know what's happening outside of LeaveItToBeaverville. Based on their own statements they've displayed that they're woefully uninformed on this issue and many others. Unless they hear it coming from right wing propagandists like the false prophets of talk radio they will continue to march as foot soldiers for the established structure and all it represents.

We can only pray.

You're telling me! We know that they have access to the web and the information that is on there, but one would assume that they just choose to ignore the facts. It can be exhausting trying to deal with so many people that live in a bubble and are opposed to anything that is contrary to their tradition and/or their life's experiences.

You're right, after sowing the seeds of truth all we can do now is pray that their eyes will be open to that truth.

[CC1]

Originally Posted by ChristopherHall

Chosen,

I question if some of our Christian brethren really know what's happening outside of LeaveItToBeaverville. Based on their own statements they've displayed that they're woefully uninformed on this issue and many others. Unless they hear it coming from right wing propagandists like the false prophets of talk radio they will continue to march as foot soldiers for the established structure and all it represents.

We can only pray.

Yup. We are just poor ole ignorant rednecks with no idea of what goes on in the real world. No education, only are around our fellow crackers in "Leave-it-to-Beaverville".

If only we had lived the long exotic life you have interacting in the inner city with the "Brutha's" and understanding their plight and gripes against the evil white man.

I am willing to bet I grew up around more black people than you have probably seen in your life. Until I was in high school I lived in a totally integrated community. My elementary and Jr. High school had whites, blacks. and eskimo's when the South was still segregated.

I went to HS in the deep south at the most closely integrated school in the state at the time (approx. 55% white 45% black).

I have been an avid reader, researcher, and ploticial junkie since the age of 14.

You and chooseybones do not have a corner on "enlightenment" or the ability to have intellect and come to conclusions from a broad base of knowledge and understanding.

[ChristopherHall]

Originally Posted by CC1

Yup. We are just poor ole ignorant rednecks with no idea of what goes on in the real world. No education, only are around our fellow crackers in "Leave-it-to-Beaverville".

If only we had lived the long exotic life you have interacting in the inner city with the "Brutha's" and understanding their plight and gripes against the evil white man.

I am willing to bet I grew up around more black people than you have probably seen in your life. Until I was in high school I lived in a totally integrated community. My elementary and Jr. High school had whites, blacks. and eskimo's when the South was still segregated.

I went to HS in the deep south at the most closely integrated school in the state at the time (approx. 55% white 45% black).

I have been an avid reader, researcher, and ploticial junkie since the age of 14.

You and chooseybones do not have a corner on "enlightenment" or the ability to have intellect and come to conclusions from a broad base of knowledge and understanding.

Experience doesn't always equal wisdom. With that much experience, how can one be excused for denying such realities?

I lived in two ghettos here in Dayton Ohio, Parkside (emergency housing after my mother and I were evicted from our apartment and were rendered homeless) and Desoto Bass Courts. Just in the neighborhoods I lived in I was shot at twice, beaten down in the street (in the middle of Germantown) once, and got to know many black families first hand. After my mother took us out of church it was a black man, Bro. Chester Matthews, who witnessed to me and got me back on track and serving the Lord. I've worked for the Department of Housing Inspection and now I'm working in Water. Being a city employee and doing work involving inner city areas suffering from urban blight and in desperate need of CDBG funding I've gotten to know quite a bit about things. I have some experiences that, without the hand of God on my life, I should be dead. I could tell you more, but I'm sure you get the point.

[chosenbyone]

Originally Posted by CC1

Yup. We are just poor ole ignorant rednecks with no idea of what goes on in the real world. No education, only are around our fellow crackers in "Leave-it-to-Beaverville".

If only we had lived the long exotic life you have interacting in the inner city with the "Brutha's" and understanding their plight and gripes against the evil white man.

I am willing to bet I grew up around more black people than you have probably seen in your life. Until I was in high school I lived in a totally integrated community. My elementary and Jr. High school had whites, blacks. and eskimo's when the South was still segregated.

I went to HS in the deep south at the most closely integrated school in the state at the time (approx. 55% white 45% black).

I have been an avid reader, researcher, and ploticial junkie since the age of 14.

You and chooseybones do not have a corner on "enlightenment" or the ability to have intellect and come to conclusions from a broad base of knowledge and understanding.

I never stated or implied that you were a poor ole ignorant redneck! You're my friend, CC1!

[Neck]

Originally Posted by ChristopherHall

My heritage is Dutch, Irish, English, and German. My family has been in the the Americas for generations. I identify with my English and my Irish heritage by choice. Though I have investigated my Dutch roots and found Dutch culture to be enjoyable. The way a man chooses to be identified...IS THAT MAN'S choice. How dare we demand or judge a man over how he wishes to be identified. It's his prerogative alone.

The cultural roots you choose to identify with is...your business. You might say, "I'm justa 'mercican!" That's your choice. Or you might identify with Slavic roots, again, that's your choice. Who would I be to judge you for either choice?

You have no say.

According to our society he is black regardless of his heritage.

If he called hiself white the black community would call him a sellout.

Obviously you have no idea of our cultural imbalance and racist biggits.

If a man was half black and half white and stood in a pulpit at a white church and called himself white.

He would be called a biggit for tearing down his black heritage.

When we are told by society that anyone who has one black parent is black that is racism.

[Neck]

Originally Posted by ChristopherHall

Chosen,

I question if some of our Christian brethren really know what's happening outside of LeaveItToBeaverville. Based on their own statements they've displayed that they're woefully uninformed on this issue and many others. Unless they hear it coming from right wing propagandists like the false prophets of talk radio they will continue to march as foot soldiers for the established structure and all it represents.

We can only pray.

You have no idea where my family has been.

My uncle Dr Ronald Prince from Minden, LA was a friend of Dr Martin Luther King, JR.

He marched with him in Minden in 1965.

The things Jer Wright spoke in his rants were not the "Dream" that MLJ JR expressed in the last sermon he preached the night before his death.

Jer Wright was not looking to take his folks to the mountain top but to the pits of dispair.

I question your understanding...

[ChristopherHall]

Originally Posted by Neckstadt

You have no say.

According to our society he is black regardless of his heritage.

If he called hiself white the black community would call him a sellout.

Obviously you have no idea of our cultural imbalance and racist biggits.

If a man was half black and half white and stood in a pulpit at a white church and called himself white.

He would be called a biggit for tearing down his black heritage.

When we are told by society that anyone who has one black parent is black that is racism.

Well...I also think if a man as dark as Obama called himself white...we'd laugh. LOL

The dude is black. And he has all the right in the world to identify himself as being black and to also refer to his other ethnic background and experiences.