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Originally Posted by ManOfWord

Sorry dude! There is ZERO conclusive evidence that there is a genetic or biological predisposition. You are making an argument from a "straw man." It is something that is against God's creative order for His creative purpose.

You’re assuming that things are just as perfect as they were in the Garden of Eden. Today MANY things are the result of biological problems that go against God’s creative order for his creative purpose. You have people born with both male and female reproductive organs and estrogen/testosterone imbalances that wreak absolute havoc in regards to their gender, attractions, behaviors, and sense of gender identity.

I’ll do a little research on this and pull up some studies on this subject for us to consider. There are studies ranging mapping genetics of individuals struggling with this to blind pheromone tests to detect hormonal reactions in individuals to male or female hormone. All tests appear to indicate a definite biological factor.

I have dealt with homosexuals and EVERY single one I have dealt with, it was a learned behavior. It may have been learned very young in the absence of a male figure in their lives but it was learned.

I’ve also known a few individuals with this problem but their backgrounds differ. You have an individual from a broken home (possible gender identity issue), one that was abused by an older boy (possible abuse issue), and two that were Apostolic preacher’s kids, where did these parents go wrong? I’m sure they’d love to know. I think most don’t realize that when we say it’s a learned or conditioned behavior via abuse or environment we are placing a considerable amount of responsibility on parents who are doing the best they can. Some have done an exemplary job…and still their kids turn out to be gay. Where did they go wrong? Is it fair to place that kind of guilt on them? Am I to believe that these Apostolic preachers abused their sons? How do we explain the numerous individuals who were abused and didn’t turn out this way?

Their same sex attraction may come from a heart "wound" a disappointment or just being around females more than males or the opposite if they are female.

Get real! There are far more who have had “heart wounds” and who have been raised by females more than males who have turned out just fine. If this were true we’d see far more gay people today than you’d ever imagine. Remember, in the ancient world, women raised the children and men rarely involved themselves until the young men were well of age to be men. I don’t buy this one bro.

Yes, it is a choice to follow the perversion of God's created order or walk the other direction. NO sin that we have become accustomed to is easy to leave behind. There must be a deliverance and a dependence.

Is sin a “choice” or is it a condition that is part of our very nature as fallen creatures? The point is that we as human beings are fallen, flawed, and have no choice…we sin rather we like it or not. Sure, we get saved and learn to walk in the Spirit. Most of the time this means that we “sin less” not that we are “sinless”.

My predisposition to become an alcohol/drug addict was learned behavior from my Mother. I learned it, perfected it, got delivered from it and now have a dependency on the King of Kings. I was, but now I am not.

Actually research shows that some people have a tendency toward being genetically predisposed to addiction. My doctor briefed me on it when we discussed the benefits of red wine and heart health.

The only way one is chained to their sin is to believe that is who they are. One says, "Oh, well, I'm just attracted to little boys. I can't help myself. I shouldn't be held accountable because that is just who I am. It's not my fault. The internet made me that way. My uncle Ernie made me this way."

Again, you miss the point. No one is saying that one shouldn’t be held accountable for illegal actions or be held morally accountable for sinful actions. What we are saying is that there is an underlying root cause rooted in some folks genetics (flesh). Understanding this will influence us to more properly address the issue with various individuals. For example, let’s say we are dealing with an individual who has had same gender attraction their whole lives and it may indeed by genetic. Do you beat them over the head with a Bible demanding they “repent” of their condition, forcing them to try to “change” by “choosing” to be straight…or do you pray for forgiveness if sin was committed and pray for their “healing”? Sometimes we beat them down demanding they “repent” when what they need is a “healing”. Understanding the problem opens up more options in relation to how we deal with the issue.

On and on and on the excuses for sin go. The excuse is irrelevant. The cure is the same. There is NO chain which Jesus can't break!!!!!!

Amen. But is that chain a “choice” or part of a genetic condition predisposing toward a given behavior? Then do we pray that Christ break that chain by giving them strength to choose or do we break it by praying that Christ heal their fallen condition?