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Poe is a good man and one that I very much like. It has little to do with his 'brashness' or his 'in your face' demeanor. It has everything to do with the fact that he's true to what he is. He's not trying to impress anyone when he does these things... he is trying to get a point across and usually does it.

Bottom line, I can go a LONG way with a man that says what he means and means what he says. A lot farther than I can with people who preach things and later say, "Well, I don't think it's an issue of salvation" or "I just wanted to make them nervous."

Say what you mean, preacher, and quit dancing around with things that you don't believe! You may not have everyone happy when you're done but you'll have your integrity.

Besides, I think it's telling that the man has revival almost everywhere his feet land. Young people love him, passionate saints enjoy him and carnal Saints pray through as a general rule.

As for the person 'hearing' what he preached last night... if it stands true to the record he has she probably WAS hearing it... and 'amen-ing' him as loud as she could. I've watched the man be as hard as nails on Pastor's Kids who were backslidden, seen him pray them through and then stay close to them until they are established and productive for God. Strong tea or not, you can't ask for a more sincere person.

Now, give me someone true to what they are anyday over someone that uses the pulpit for an occupation only.

[CC1]

Originally Posted by Steadfast

Poe is a good man and one that I very much like. It has little to do with his 'brashness' or his 'in your face' demeanor. It has everything to do with the fact that he's true to what he is. He's not trying to impress anyone when he does these things... he is trying to get a point across and usually does it.

Bottom line, I can go a LONG way with a man that says what he means and means what he says. A lot farther than I can with people who preach things and later say, "Well, I don't think it's an issue of salvation" or "I just wanted to make them nervous."

Say what you mean, preacher, and quit dancing around with things that you don't believe! You may not have everyone happy when you're done but you'll have your integrity.

Besides, I think it's telling that the man has revival almost everywhere his feet land. Young people love him, passionate saints enjoy him and carnal Saints pray through as a general rule.

As for the person 'hearing' what he preached last night... if it stands true to the record he has she probably WAS hearing it... and 'amen-ing' him as loud as she could. I've watched the man be as hard as nails on Pastor's Kids who were backslidden, seen him pray them through and then stay close to them until they are established and productive for God. Strong tea or not, you can't ask for a more sincere person.

No, give me someone true to what they are anyday over someone that uses the pulpit for an occupation only.

Steadfast, with all due respect I think your defense boils down to the old false conundrum once again that good preachers must be in this mould or are insincere, only occupying a pulpit, compromisers, etc,etc.

My contention is that it is possible to minister the gospel without being crude, boorish, tactless, etc.

I think it is the tolerance of some of this that encourages it. In some circles this is elevated and put on a pedestal as "shucking the corn", "preaching it straight".

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Originally Posted by CC1

Steadfast, with all due respect I think your defense boils down to the old false conundrum once again that good preachers must be in this mould or are insincere, only occupying a pulpit, compromisers, etc,etc.

My contention is that it is possible to minister the gospel without being crude, boorish, tactless, etc.

I think it is the tolerance of some of this that encourages it. In some circles this is elevated and put on a pedestal as "shucking the corn", "preaching it straight".

CC1,
Brother Poe can come across as hard, but is is surprising that the people he is addressing are glad that someone called out their sin. These people really want to come out of where they are and live right. There are people that are so bound that they need this from him. It is his ministry. I won't stand against him.

I have seen other ministers that try to be this way and they fall flat. They are using the pulpit for the office, for the authority or they are trying to change people without a burden or full knowledge.

This is Brother Poe's calling and he takes it seriously. I just don't know how to explain it any more.

Originally Posted by CC1

Steadfast, with all due respect I think your defense boils down to the old false conundrum once again that good preachers must be in this mould or are insincere, only occupying a pulpit, compromisers, etc,etc.

My contention is that it is possible to minister the gospel without being crude, boorish, tactless, etc.

I think it is the tolerance of some of this that encourages it. In some circles this is elevated and put on a pedestal as "shucking the corn", "preaching it straight".

CC1, I consider you a friend but you're a million miles off base on this one. I stand in 'defense' only because I do believe in him. I'm not one of those who thinks that all preaching has to be 'cut and bang'... but some of it surely is brash. One of my most revered figures in the ministry is C. M. Becton and there isn't a more gentle man alive. I'm a great student of all kinds of preaching and, hence, have NEVER said someone that wasn't being crude was insincere.

Your assumption was misguided as the 'insincere' I was referring to was those who are crude and in your face for no other reason than rile a crowd into a frenzy. What Bro. Poe is he has always been. Yet, I have no time for those who preach one thing and live another. THAT is what I was speaking of being insincere... would you not agree?

No, friend, his is not the only kind of preaching. But, the proof is in the pudding that it's surely one of many effective kinds of preaching.

[CC1]

Originally Posted by Steadfast

CC1, I consider you a friend but you're a million miles off base on this one. I stand in 'defense' only because I do believe in him. I'm not one of those who thinks that all preaching has to be 'cut and bang'... but some of it surely is brash. One of my most revered figures in the ministry is C. M. Becton and there isn't a more gentle man alive. I'm a great student of all kinds of preaching and, hence, have NEVER said someone that wasn't being crude was insincere.

Your assumption was misguided as the 'insincere' I was referring to was those who are crude and in your face for no other reason than rile a crowd into a frenzy. What Bro. Poe is he has always been. Yet, I have no time for those who preach one thing and live another. THAT is what I was speaking of being insincere... would you not agree?

No, friend, his is not the only kind of preaching. But, the proof is in the pudding that it's surely one of many effective kinds of preaching.

Steadfast, I appreciate your clarification here as I had taken what you had written a different way.

As I mentioned in another post I just don't believe the end justifies the means and that one can preach it "straight" and direct without some of the unneccessary offenses I am hearing told about on this thread.

My problem is not with him being frank with people about their need for God or their current condition (although I think Coonskinners method of using the discernment God gives him makes a lot more sense and is better) but with the crude comments unrelated to someones salvation he makes.

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Originally Posted by Steadfast

Poe is a good man and one that I very much like. It has little to do with his 'brashness' or his 'in your face' demeanor. It has everything to do with the fact that he's true to what he is. He's not trying to impress anyone when he does these things... he is trying to get a point across and usually does it.

Bottom line, I can go a LONG way with a man that says what he means and means what he says. A lot farther than I can with people who preach things and later say, "Well, I don't think it's an issue of salvation" or "I just wanted to make them nervous."

Say what you mean, preacher, and quit dancing around with things that you don't believe! You may not have everyone happy when you're done but you'll have your integrity.

Besides, I think it's telling that the man has revival almost everywhere his feet land. Young people love him, passionate saints enjoy him and carnal Saints pray through as a general rule.

As for the person 'hearing' what he preached last night... if it stands true to the record he has she probably WAS hearing it... and 'amen-ing' him as loud as she could. I've watched the man be as hard as nails on Pastor's Kids who were backslidden, seen him pray them through and then stay close to them until they are established and productive for God. Strong tea or not, you can't ask for a more sincere person.

Now, give me someone true to what they are anyday over someone that uses the pulpit for an occupation only.

Amen, Steadfast. That is Brother Poe. He is true to what he believes. He can be hard as nails, but the surprising thing is - the person he was the hardest on comes forth and gets their deliverance. I've seen it over and over.

I've seen people come to the services because they know that what he will tell them is going to be on the mark and not some showmanship stuff. He isn't playing around with what and who he is. That's for sure.

He doesn't spout off things that are not real and present in a congregation. I might add that I have heard many to have said Verbal Bean used psychology on the masses. lol!

Not many men like Brother Poe - it is the sincerity they feel. Some preach fear for reaction. He preaches truth and direction. That is where the deliverance is coming in.

This is my assessment of Brother Poe.