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Old 05-07-2008, 08:12 AM
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So I want an answer....did God send William Tyndale to Hell?

Yes, no, or leaving the judgment to God?

Was there a an Apostolic church in Tyndale's day? Who were they?

Is there a distinctly Apostolic Bible translation?

Explain why God would use Hell bound infidels to preserve, translate, and propagate His Word.

Should we use a translation translated by Trinitarians in honor of the Trinitarian "King James"?
No one can answer this but God.
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Old 05-07-2008, 08:18 AM
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Re: Hell Bound? Says who???

CH although I see where you are going with your line of questioning, I have to make a comment. Even IF the translators did not fully understand what they were translating, they knew the language and could translate what it said.

Did they use the best translations? Some will probably say yes, and others no. Again, that could be based on personal interpretations.

God allowed the Bible to be transalated as it is, and to my knowledge has never told an Apostolic minister that it is unacceptable, therefore, until He does, I think it is safe to use it and depend on it.

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P.S. Also, God used a donkey to get His message across, he could use a non-believer as well.
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When I see an Apostolic condemn all comers to Hell using a King James Bible I can think of only one word...ungrateful. They hate and condemn the very heritage of the Bible translation they love and cherish. The Jehovah's Witnesses used the same logic in their condemnation of all Christians before them, but they had the guts to produce their own translation. That's where this logic leads if consistently followed.
[Num 22:33] And the ass saw me, and turned from me these three times: unless she had turned from me, surely now also I had slain thee, and saved her alive.

If God can use a ass surly he can make a human translate correctly.

You might try reading Isaiah. Trinidadians wish this book wasn't in the bible so how to you account for it being translated? Isaiah is ONE GOD, NO GOD BESIDE ME, I KNOW NO OTHER GOD. Do you honestly think a trinnie would translate Isaiah correctly if GOD didn't cause them to do it correctly?
It seem to me you don't give God much credit in keeping his word for mankind.

By the way arn't you UPC?
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Old 05-07-2008, 09:24 AM
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God allowed the Bible to be transalated as it is, and to my knowledge has never told an Apostolic minister that it is unacceptable, therefore, until He does, I think it is safe to use it and depend on it.
Really?! You'd throw out your KJV if some Apostolic minister felt, from GOD that there was a better canon of Scripture and better translation? It be cool if he added or took away from the KJV? There is an Apostolic minister, Gino Jennings, in Philadelphia, they use the KJV, Apocrypha and Book of Jashur... Their website: www.truthofgod.net, and let me tell you, their holiness standards put us to shame.

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Old 05-07-2008, 09:41 AM
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Really?! You'd throw out your KJV if some Apostolic minister felt, from GOD that there was a better canon of Scripture and better translation? It be cool if he added or took away from the KJV? There is an Apostolic minister, Gino Jennings, in Philadelphia, they use the KJV, Apocrypha and Book of Jashur... Their website: www.truthofgod.net, and let me tell you, their holiness standards put us to shame.

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Really?! You'd throw out your KJV if some Apostolic minister felt, from GOD that there was a better canon of Scripture and better translation? It be cool if he added or took away from the KJV? There is an Apostolic minister, Gino Jennings, in Philadelphia, they use the KJV, Apocrypha and Book of Jashur... Their website: www.truthofgod.net, and let me tell you, their holiness standards put us to shame.

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Nope. God would have to speak to ME personally.

My post was an attempt to show IF there was something wrong with it He would have let us know long time ago. Not during this generation of deception.

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[Num 22:33] And the ass saw me, and turned from me these three times: unless she had turned from me, surely now also I had slain thee, and saved her alive.

If God can use a ass surly he can make a human translate correctly.

You might try reading Isaiah. Trinidadians wish this book wasn't in the bible so how to you account for it being translated? Isaiah is ONE GOD, NO GOD BESIDE ME, I KNOW NO OTHER GOD. Do you honestly think a trinnie would translate Isaiah correctly if GOD didn't cause them to do it correctly?
It seem to me you don't give God much credit in keeping his word for mankind.

By the way arn't you UPC?
I'm not officially licensed UPC but I attend a UPCI church. My position is similar to Rev. David K. Bernard's,

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(Romans 2:16; Hebrews 12:23). No human being can condemn
a soul to hell or guarantee him a place in heaven, for
salvation is a matter between the individual and God.
The Lord taught us not to judge each other, but to
judge ourselves and leave the judgment of others to God
(Matthew 7:1-5; Luke 6:37). Jesus did not come to condemn
the world but to offer salvation (John 3:17), and we
should do likewise. We should proclaim the gospel,
encourage obedience to it, and warn of the biblically prescribed
consequences for disobedience, but the final
results rest in God’s hands.”

– David K. Bernard, The New Birth Experience
I don't see how non-Apostolics, primarily of concern are those in history, interpreted Acts 2:38 as we do. Therefore I cannot say with certainty that they are saved...however, I also cannot say with certainty that they were lost. I believe it's best to leave this sort of thing up to God. When witnessing to devout Trinitarians I typically share what I understand and express how I feel they are gambling with their souls if they obey tradition over Bible. It works a lot better than saying, "You're a bunch of Hell bound non-Christians!" lol
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Is ok to do this if you are hell bound too?
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Re: Hell Bound? Says who???

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So I want an answer....did God send William Tyndale to Hell?

Yes, no, or leaving the judgment to God?

Was there a an Apostolic church in Tyndale's day? Who were they?

Is there a distinctly Apostolic Bible translation?

Explain why God would use Hell bound infidels to preserve, translate, and propagate His Word.

Should we use a translation translated by Trinitarians in honor of the Trinitarian "King James"?
IF Tyndale obeyed the gospel by repenting, being baptized in Jesus name, and received the Holy Ghost, and lived being led by the spirit, then he is saved according to scriptures. If he did not, then I do not believe he made the city.

For anyone that cannot accept the above, I would say you probably do not really believe that Acts 2:38-40 is our response to the gospel message, and is not necessary for salvation.
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Nope. God would have to speak to ME personally.

My post was an attempt to show IF there was something wrong with it He would have let us know long time ago. Not during this generation of deception.

JMO
Oh, so you're your own authority on what you will accept as Scripture...

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