Why I break the law

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Originally Posted by Baron1710

Look the Jews have rejected Christ from the beginning, there is nothing that I am going to say to change their mind. I don't see the need for a Messiah to come and follow the Law of Moses. He made the law obsolete, that is what the writer of Hebrews tells us. A new Priest and a new law.

I have a New Covenant and have no desire to make Christ's death in vain by trying to follow a system He made obsolete with His death. If you want to follow Judaism go ahead, I would rather follow Christ.

Who is the Gospel for, Baron? The Jew first. Or is that not in your version of the Bible?

As far as the Jews rejecting Him from the beginning, get some understanding about the choice that was made by the people between Jesus and Barabbas. Not all of the Jews were even present to pick Barabbas over Jesus, as it would be impossible for all to be present in such a small courtyard, so don't imply that the Jews rejected Him from the beginning. The actions of a small number does not a blanket judgment make. Besides, count the number of Jews who came to believe in the book of Acts. Many.

As far as you changing their mind, you won't change their mind as long as you continue in this drivel which proclaims that G-d's everlasting covenant isn't everlasting anymore and that G-d gave His bride Israel a law that would only be a curse. The Law contains curses, but also blessings. Give Deuteronomy a read and see. The curses come when willful transgression of the Law takes place. The blessings come when willful obedience of the Law is enacted out as a sign of submission to G-d.

You don't see the need for Messiah to come and follow the Law of Moses, yet that's exactly the criteria the Torah establishes for who the Messiah is. A Messiah who does not follow Torah is no Messiah at all. You don't see it because you're either not aware of it or because you're deceived by anti-Jewish theological bias. You're supposed to provoke Jews to jealousy, not confirm what Yeshua's opponents say about Him being a person who is anything but the Jewish Messiah.

King David said the Law is 'Perfect.' Paul said the Law is holy, just, and good. Obsolete doesn't fit, especially when the Word of G-d is the same yesterday, today, and forever. BTW, if you have a Bible that has italics in the print (i.e. KJV), you'll find that the word 'covenant' in Hebrews 8 is in italics. The covenant isn't obsolete: it's the priesthood. Read the chapter in context; the first priesthood was flawed, not the first covenant. To say that the first covenant was flawed is to say that G-d gave His people something that was less than perfect, and the G-d I serve does everything to perfection.

I don't doubt for a moment that you have a new covenant. Read Jeremiah 31 and you'll discover that the New Covenant is the Torah written on your heart. You want to be a breaker of The Law? Have it your way, but in the Messianic Age, you'll be observing the Festival of Tabernacles, and woe unto you if you don't, big dude.
...and you would only make Christ's death to be in vain if you chose salvation through Torah instead of through Him. Paul remained zealous for the Law, all while maintaining his salvation as coming from Jesus.

You mention Galatians. Galatians was about legalism, not Torah. Bro-Larry hates legalism, and rightfully so. I hate it, too. Torah is not legalism.
Torah is what G-d gave to Israel.
Legalism is what man gave to Israel.
Torah is G-d's instruction (that's what Torah means, it doesn't mean Law).
Legalism is man's interpretation of G-d's instruction.
Torah is G-d's revelation of His Righteousness.
Legalism is man's perversion of G-d's Revelation.

The Pharisees turned Torah into legalism.
Jesus took legalism out from Torah.
That's why people who do things the way Jesus did are doing Torah.

Finally, I don't do Judaism, I do 'Jesus'ism. He's the living Torah, and we're His Disciples. Disciples imitate their Master, and since He's the Master, if He did it, we should do it. If He didn't do it, we shouldn't do it.

Shabbat shalom!