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Old 07-17-2008, 05:43 AM
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Re: Why I break the law

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You don't see the need for Messiah to come and follow the Law of Moses, yet that's exactly the criteria the Torah establishes for who the Messiah is. A Messiah who does not follow Torah is no Messiah at all. You don't see it because you're either not aware of it or because you're deceived by anti-Jewish theological bias. You're supposed to provoke Jews to jealousy, not confirm what Yeshua's opponents say about Him being a person who is anything but the Jewish Messiah.
Any Scripture for this or just another point on which the Jews have misread prophesies about the Messiah?

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Obsolete doesn't fit, especially when the Word of G-d is the same yesterday, today, and forever. BTW, if you have a Bible that has italics in the print (i.e. KJV), you'll find that the word 'covenant' in Hebrews 8 is in italics. The covenant isn't obsolete: it's the priesthood. Read the chapter in context; the first priesthood was flawed, not the first covenant. To say that the first covenant was flawed is to say that G-d gave His people something that was less than perfect, and the G-d I serve does everything to perfection.
Covenant is in italics in verse 7 not in verse 6 and is the immediately preceding topic in the previous sentence I am not aware of any translation that interprets verse 7 as referring to the priesthood, it doesn't make sense grammatically or contextually.

Hebrews 8:6-7, 13
6 But now Jesus, our High Priest, has been given a ministry that is far superior to the old priesthood, for he is the one who mediates for us a far better covenant with God, based on better promises.
7 If the first covenant had been faultless, there would have been no need for a second covenant to replace it.
13When God speaks of a “new” covenant, it means he has made the first one obsolete. It is now out of date and will soon disappear.


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Have it your way, but in the Messianic Age, you'll be observing the Festival of Tabernacles, and woe unto you if you don't, big dude.
I guess that depends on your view of prophecy I don't see the church returning to the law. Those same passages used to show a return to the law include meaningless sacrifice, since Christ died once for all.

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You mention Galatians. Galatians was about legalism, not Torah.
Galatians is about a church returning to the law not about legalism in the law.
Galatians 3:19-20, 23-25
What, then, was the purpose of the law? It was added because of transgressions until the Seed to whom the promise referred had come. The law was put into effect through angels by a mediator. A mediator, however, does not represent just one party; but God is one.

Before this faith came, we were held prisoners by the law, locked up until faith should be revealed. So the law was put in charge to lead us to Christ[h] that we might be justified by faith. Now that faith has come, we are no longer under the supervision of the law.

Galatians 4:8-11
Formerly, when you did not know God, you were slaves to those who by nature are not gods. But now that you know God—or rather are known by God—how is it that you are turning back to those weak and miserable principles? Do you wish to be enslaved by them all over again? You are observing special days and months and seasons and years! I fear for you, that somehow I have wasted my efforts on you.

What were these days they were observing? They weren't legalism of the law they were the law.
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