Are Todd Bentley & C Peter Wagner Apostolic?

[Michael The Disciple]

Posted: Fri Aug 22, 2008 3:58 pm Post subject: The Manchild Ministry



Part 1

Who is the Manchild of Rev.12? What is his role in end times?

1. And there appeared a great wonder in heaven, a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and upon
her head a crown of twelve stars: Rev. 12:1

The woman is the New Testament Church. She is clothed with the sun.
For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have PUT ON CHRIST. Gal. 3:27
The moon is under her feet.
And hath raised us up together and made us sit together in HEAVENLY PLACES IN CHRIST JESUS. Eph. 2:6

She has a high and holy position above all principalities and powers. Eph. 1:21

On her head is a crown of 12 stars.
This speaks of the mind of the Apostles.

And they continued steadfastly in the apostles doctrine: Acts 2:42

And she being with child cried, travailing in birth and pained to be delivered. Rev. 12:2

It is what is in her that is giving her pain.

3 And there appeared another wonder in heaven; and behold a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads.
4 And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth: and the dragon stood before the woman which was ready to be delivered, for to devour her child as soon as it was born. Rev. 12:3

The dragon is satan and the ten horns are endtime nations.

And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet, but receive power as kings one hour with the beast. Rev. 18:12

His tail represnts the false teaching of the end time.

15 The ancient and honourable, he is the head; and the prophet that teacheth lies, he is the tail.
16 For the leaders of this people cause them to err; and they that are led of them are destroyed. Isaiah 9:15-16

His tail (doctrine) draws a third of the stars of heaven and casts them to the earth.

The stars of heaven speaks of the saints who dwell in heavenly places in Christ. Multitudes are deceived and fall from their heavenly position IN CHRIST. They return to earthly affections and desires.

The devil stands before the woman to destroy the fruit of her womb. Why does he focus his attack on the CHILD?

And she brought forth a MAN CHILD, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up to God
and to his throne.

When we see who the child is we will understand why the enemy wants it destroyed!

And he that OVERCOMETH and keepeth my works unto the end, to him will I give power over the nations:
And he shall rule them with a rod of iron: Rev. 2:26-27

The Manchild represents end time overcomers! Their purpose will change the direction of the Church. God says he will come for a glorious church.

That he might present it to himself a glorious church, not having spot, wrinkle, or any such thing: but that it should be holy and woithout blemish. Eph. 5:27

How do we get from where we are today to the goal God has set for his people? That's what the Man Child is all about.

[Michael The Disciple]

Part 2

5 And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne. Rev. 12:5

Right now there is a small group of end time disciples that take God seriously. They are being trained and disciplined by his word and Spirit. They are "hidden away" in their mothers womb. This insures they will not be carried away in pride and move ahead of the plan of God. It looks like to the church in general that they are a failure! Their preaching of JUDGMENT and PERFECTION gives grief and pain. They meet in small home churches and are called "cultists".

God sees it another way! The church in general has lost its way long ago. It seems that unity and full stature is just a visionaries dream! But wait! God is working his "quick work".

Caught up to the throne of God? This is not referring to what we call the rapture! I believe there will be a literal coming of Jesus to gather his saints in the clouds. This happens at the end of the great tribulation. The catching up here in Rev. 12:5 is symbolic not the same thing. The catching up of the Man Child is on the same spiritual level as these other two notable experiences in scripture.

I knew a man In Christ above 14 years ago, (whether in the body, I cannot tell, or whether out of the body I cannot tell: God knoweth such an one CAUGHT UP to the third heaven.
2 Cor. 12:2

After this I looked and behold a door was in heaven: and the first voice which I heard was as it were of a trumpet talking with me, which said, COME UP HITHER and I will shew thee things which must be hereafter.
And immediatley I was in the Spirit: and behold a throne was set in heaven and ONE SAT ON THE THRONE. Rev. 4:1-2

Here we have two men, leaders of Gods people taken up to hear heavenly things. After Gods purpose in bringing them there is fulfilled he then sent them BACK! Was it literal or "in the spirit"? John said he was in the Spirit. Paul said he could not tell. Nonetheless the experience was so real to both of them they mentioned it in their writings!

When the time is right, when God has brought the end time overcomers to the place he can use them they WILL RECEIVE A LIKE EXPERIENCE! They will be caught up to God. They will receive end time instruction. Their doctrine will be the doctrine of heaven and they will be given a "rod of iron" to back it up with!

When they"return" they have a command to FEED the people of God. The devil has chased them to the wilderness. But God already had a plan for their deliverance!

And the woman fled into the wilderness where she hath a place prepared of God THAT THEY SHOULD FEED HER THERE a thousand two hundred and three score days.

The question is: Who are the THEY who shall feed her?

They are those who UNDERSTAND. Those who have been in training for this very thing. Now their ministry is finally released! Gods power backs them up as he backed up his servant Moses in the wilderness.

And such as do wickedly against the covenant shall he corrupt
by flatteries: but the people that do know their God SHALL BE STRONG AND DO EXPLOITS! Dan. 11:32

What exploits might we expect? How about multipying food?
Healing the sick? Blinding the eyes of those who seek to destroy Gods people?

And THEY THAT UNDERSTAND among the people shall INSTRUCT MANY: yet they shall fall by the sword, and by flame, by captivity, and by spoil many days. Dan. 11:33

It will be the greatest time of BIBLE FEASTING in history! Christians who love Yeshua but have not understood his word will be amazed as the great truths of Christ are revealed!
There will yet be a people who will come to the FULLNESS OF THE STATURE OF CHRIST!

Martyr"s? Yes! But they will rejoice that they are worthy to die for his name! Like Stephen they shall be given "dying grace".

Now when they shall fall, THEY SHALL BE HOLPEN WITH A LITTLE HELP: but many shall cleave to them with flatteries.
Dan. 11:34

Even in a great time of restoration not all will heed the message. As when Israel came out of Egypt, Gods people were fed and led supernaturally but many still fell into murmuring, complaining and sin and were cut off from Gods grace.

There it is friends. Both the bitter and the sweet! Exciting and dangerous times are ahead. Question is where will you stand in that day? Where are you standing TODAY? If one cannot serve God in the green tree what will happen in the dry!

Now is the time to crucify flesh. Now is the time to yield your members as instruments of righteousness unto holiness. God is looking for a few good men to labor with him in that day

[TRFrance]

Thanks for breaking it down for us, Michael.
In the meantime, I did some reading up on the Manchild Doctrine myself.

One word to describe the doctrine: fanciful.

I'll just leave it at that.
But anyway... blessings,
TRF

[Michael The Disciple]

Originally Posted by TRFrance

Thanks for breaking it down for us, Michael.
In the meantime, I did some reading up on the Manchild Doctrine myself.

One word to describe the doctrine: fanciful.

I'll just leave it at that.
But anyway... blessings,
TRF

Yea and some feel the whole Book Of Revelation sounds fanciful.

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Another word is "scriptural." Here is a very simple explanation.
See Eph 4:11. It begins a discourse about the 5-fold ministry gifts and concludes with the statement that they are given "till we all come to the unity of the faith unto the measure of the fulness of the stature of Christ." That is goal--plan of God and destiney of the children of God. We will "measure" to the fulness of Christ.
Jn. 1 states that he gave "power to become the sons of God." But the greek for sons is better translated as "children." When one is born again they become a Child of God. Many other verses support this. The "sonship" is not until after they have matured. Paul wrote of the process in 1 cor. 13, "when I was a child..." But our destiney is Sons...See Rev. 21:7, in this case it is the greek for a full grown son. or a manchild