Do you believe this applies to ex-upc and liberal

[Sister Alvear]

My husband always tells me he hopes the people on the forums know I have a sense of humor...if not our boat might sink...

[OP_Carl]

Yes, to the extent that ex-upc, liberal, charismatic, and other such terms define, in the conservative's lexicon, people that have become not only carnal and/or prideful, but practitioners of guile and treachery among the faithful.

The trouble with your question is the widely ambiguous definition for the terms liberal and ex-UPC. Some folks leave the UPC to flee strictness, some to flee offense, and some to flee compromise. Next to some of our independent brethren, I'm a liberal. I am probably in practice a moderate, because I wasn't raised in a Pentecostal church so I tend to approach things with an open mind (or attempt to anyhow). But I consider myself a conservative because I believe that before a person moves a line or position, before they change a method, they should first investigate whether the status quo was in place for good reason. It oftentimes is.

[PMBrown]

Originally Posted by COOPER

Do you believe this applies to Ex-UPC and liberals?

This is Bible. Why would those who left the UPC have a problem with it? This only becomes an issue if one equates "UPCI" with "the faith". Which would be idolatry.

[OneAccord]

The application of Jude 1 applies to all it is applicable to. To apply it to one person or one group does not apply here. When Jude recieved the inspiration to pen these words, he wasn't writing about any one group of people. I don't think the terms "Ex-UPC" or "liberal" ever crossed his mind.

[PMBrown]

Originally Posted by OneAccord

The application of Jude 1 applies to all it is applicable to. To apply it to one person or one group does not apply here. When Jude recieved the inspiration to pen these words, he wasn't writing about any one group of people. I don't think the terms "Ex-UPC" or "liberal" ever crossed his mind.

Amen. Thank you.

[tv1a]

Why are conservatives allowed to move the boundaries in but moderates/liberals are not allowed to move the boundaries back where the Bible set them?

Removing the ancient landmarks works both ways. If one is not allowed to move the landmarks for more room, another is sure not allowed to move the landmarks to squeeze people out.

Many seem to forget we are called to be separated, not isolated.

It may be time to revisit a Steve Taylor song:

I'd gone through so much other stuff
That walking down the aisle was tough
But now I know it's not enough
I want to be a clone

I asked the Lord into my heart
They said that was the way to start
But now you've got to play the part
I want to be a clone
Be a clone and kiss conviction goodnight
Cloneliness is next to Godliness, right?
I'm grateful that they show the way
'Cause I could never know the way
To serve him on my own
I want to be a clone
They told me that I'd fall away
Unless I followed what they say
Who needs the Bible anyway?
I want to be a clone

Their language it was new to me
But Christianese got through to me
Now I can speak it fluently
I want to be a clone

Send in the clones

Ah, I kind of wanted to tell my friends and people about it, you know?
What?
You're still a babe
You have to grow
Give it twenty years or so
'Cause if you want to be one of his
Got to act like one of us

So now I see the whole design
My church is an assembly line
The parts are there, I'm feeling fine
I want to be a clone

I've learned enough to stay afloat
But not so much I rock the boat
I'm glad they shoved it down my throat
I want to be a clone
Everybody must get cloned

[tv1a]

Bingo.

Originally Posted by PMBrown

This is Bible. Why would those who left the UPC have a problem with it? This only becomes an issue if one equates "UPCI" with "the faith". Which would be idolatry.