The "Abomination that Maketh Desolate"

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Originally Posted by pkdad

One English translated verb cannot change meaning in the Hebrew text. This is where preterism along with their misapplication of chronology misses it. Daniels visions are not in order as John's revelation is neither.

Chronology of the visions has nothing to do with the issue. Futurism makes its biggest blunder in putting a gap in the 70 weeks of Daniel when nothing in the Bible says that. And whereas the New Testament says almost the exact words found in Dan 9:27 when it says sacrifices cease due to Christ's death, nothing in the New testament says anything about some antichrist causing sacrifices to cease.

So futurism has two strikes against it.

1) Daniel never said anything about a gap - (talk about chronology!)

2) Futurism has no New Testament reflection of their thought that antichrist causes sacrifices to cease, while the New Testament DOES associate Christ's death with the cessation of sacrifices in Dan 9:27 when we read Hebrews 10.

Just as many mad men and false Christs' tried to fulfill prophesy, Antiochus is one of them.

He did not TRY. He just fulfilled parts of Daniel 8 and 11 without knowing about it!

I know the prophecies in Daniel are not chronologically written, as evidenced by my claims that Dan 8 is about Antiochus as well as Daniel 11, but Daniel 9 is about the first century.

The literal abomination he committed flys in the face of many principles Jesus taught to straighten out the "touch not, taste not, etc... of the Law! ie..."not what enters a man unclean" or regarding Sabbath violation etc...The desecration is not pigs and carnal happenings ...it will be spiritual pertaining to Apostasy in the end-times that the 1948 fulfillment began the countdown to the "false/Anti-Christ person and or system.

It has already been 60 years since '48. If it goes another 60 years will people still say 1948 was the magic year?

The only physical desecration is abortion, same sex marriage, human cloning, DNA re-engineering etc... and as the Church falls further into Apostasy by "heaping to themselves teachers, having itching ears."

As Famine is a sign of the end...Amos tells us it will not be of no food or water but of the "hearing" of the word! So once again a physical "Type and Shadow" pointing to the "spiritual" FULFILLMENT!

These claims have no foundation, brother.

Let me ask you and all futurists something. Have you ever seriously considered you may be wrong and preterism may be right? In reading all our thoughts, have you ever considered we may be onto something,, instead of thinking of how we are wrong when you read? Are you open to the thought futurism may be wrong?

One futurist to whom I spoke admitted that at first when I spoke, he was not looking to see if I was right but looking for what he felt was an obvious flaw to find. Not many are that honest to admit it, but they do the same thing. This brother soon abandoned futurism.