If Physical Death is Final?

[Scott Hutchinson]

If redemption comes through the shed blood of Jesus Christ how can the blood be applied after one dies if they die lost ?

[Antipas]

Originally Posted by Scott Hutchinson

If one doesn't believe in Christ they will perish,I understand there are varying views on the word perish,anyways if one perishes how can they be ultimately reconciled to God ?

One can perish in Hell and suffer for their sins. However, it's the promise of God that he will reconcile all things unto himself. A man may indeed perish into the flames...but God reconciles. That's how UR believes it as I understand it. God is love. It's fair to ask; what loving father would torture the vast majority of his children who never heard of him...forever? What would be the purpose of endless torture, God's pleasure? And if it doesn't please God to torture the vast majority of his creation, why does he do it when he can adequately punish and reconcile said creation through the cross?

[crakjak]

Originally Posted by bkstokes

All the every evasive word with the UR people "eternal". You say here that eternal is not limitless when it comes to judgement, yet it is limitless with its effect. The definitions that you use for your defense contradict themselves.

Just as salvation is eternal in its effect, so is judgment.

Just as the prodigal son was reconciled to his father, yet he still had wasted his inheritance. Therefore his actions were judged.

The elder son's reward for his stewardship was much greater. He avoided the judgment because of his faithfulness.

Yet both were in final relationship and reconciled to their father.

[Scott Hutchinson]

Originally Posted by Antipas

One can perish in Hell and suffer for their sins. However, it's the promise of God that he will reconcile all things unto himself. A man may indeed perish into the flames...but God reconciles. That's how UR believes it as I understand it. God is love. It's fair to ask; what loving father would torture the vast majority of his children who never heard of him...forever? What would be the purpose of endless torture, God's pleasure? And if it doesn't please God to torture the vast majority of his creation, why does he do it when he can adequately punish and reconcile said creation through the cross?

Yes God is love and He is a just,but if a person rejects Him would He force them to be reconciled to Himself ?

[crakjak]

Originally Posted by Scott Hutchinson

Yes God is love and He is a just,but if a person rejects Him would He force them to be reconciled to Himself ?

Hello, Bro. Scott,

Do you really believe someone can "see" God and reject him. Only those that are blinded by sin, culture and heritage reject Him, and only because they have not "seen" Him.

Jesus told Thomas, "...blessed are you, Thomas, because you have seen and now believe, but MORE blessed are those who have not seen and yet believe..." Believers in this life are the MORE blessed, yet those that have to "see" to believe are also blessed.

Scripture says, "...all creation will see the salvation of the Lord..."

[Antipas]

Originally Posted by Scott Hutchinson

If redemption comes through the shed blood of Jesus Christ how can the blood be applied after one dies if they die lost ?

It’s believed by many that the blood is still effective for those who have died and been judged…

"For Christ also suffered for sins once and for all, the righteous for the unrighteous, in order to bring you to God. He was put to death in the flesh, but made alive in the Spirit in which also he went and made a proclamation to the spirits in prison, who in former times did not obey." (1 Peter 3:18-20)

"For this reason the Gospel was proclaimed even to the dead, so that though they had been judged in the flesh as everyone is, they might live in the Spirit as God does." (1 Peter 4:6)

[Antipas]

Originally Posted by bkstokes

All the every evasive word with the UR people "eternal". You say here that eternal is not limitless when it comes to judgement, yet it is limitless with its effect. The definitions that you use for your defense contradict themselves.

Jonah wrote…

Jonah 2:6
{2:6} I went down to the bottoms of the mountains; the earth with her bars [was] about me for ever: yet hast thou brought up my life from corruption, O LORD my God.

How long was Jonah in the whale’s belly? Terms speaking of for ever, forever, eternal, everlasting, etc. are relative adjectives to be interpreted based on the subject they are associated with. It doesn’t mean the same thing all the time across the board in static form like computer input output. It’s more complex than that, especially in the ancient languages.

[Antipas]

Originally Posted by Scott Hutchinson

Yes God is love and He is a just,but if a person rejects Him would He force them to be reconciled to Himself ?

All souls seek to be reconciled with their creator. It's part of our basic nature and the origin of all religious thought in all cultures. Reconciliation will not be against an individual's will. God's judgment and Hell's punishment will break the will and bring the soul into complete submission. But let's assume one absolutely doesn't want to be reconciled; would you pull your child out of a burning building against their will... or just let them burn? If you being evil know this kind of love...would not God?

[Scott Hutchinson]

If everybody is going to be saved,then why go out and preach the gospel ?

[Scott Hutchinson]

Do satanists seek to be reconciled to Christ ?
If the wages of sin is death,how can those who live a lifestyle of habitual sin,find eternal life ?
How does someone after death place faith in Christ ? How are dead people baptized in Jesus Name and filled with The Holy Ghost ?
If workers of inquity are told by The Lord depart from me I never knew you,how does He know them after death ?