Shame On You Christians..gays riot

[Falla39]

Originally Posted by Berkeley

this is only the beginning of what's to come...

Actually, I didn't view the video. I was responding to Berkeley's,
comment here.
I had a dental appt., saw his comment and quickly posted before
leaving.
Also still had some posts on my mind from other threads.
Got home and due to someone accidentally messing a cable up,
on the other end of our street, our phones and internet was out
until today.
I do not dislike anyone. God is not willing that any should perish
but that all should come to repentance.

Blessings,

Falla39

[MissBrattified]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

Obtuse? Excuse me but Christians target drunks. Christians target druggies...Christians target SINNERS...are YOU saying the only sinners we should not target are gays?

Huh? How did you get that out of my post?

They were NOT in anyones face. Please, are you playing obtuse now? Did you read the article or not? They had good reactions UP UNTIL some roudy gays came out of a bar and made them a target. They held no signs. They were not preaching. They were praying and singing songs and had some results!

I never said they were in anyone's face. Not once. In fact, I said from the video it appeared that they were peaceful. (Or something to that effect.)

Prax, you should chill. I was trying to address the whole thread at once--not just YOUR post--even though I quoted it.

AGain....did you read the article? They were NOT standing in front of the gay bars with signs...they were not preaching...they did not have loud speakers chanting "Gays are going to hell"...they were not in front of the bars...they were in the same area...where they had been many times before, praying and singing songs....I ask again, which group of sinners should we reach? Just non-gays? Even if one thought nothing wrong with being gay, even a gay christian might expect there to be sinners in their midst that need Jesus.

I read the article from beginning to end--twice--AND I watched the video. I never said they were doing ANY of those things. Did you even read my posts? We should reach ALL sinners--of course. I have just witnessed groups take political leanings and throw a religious twist to it, and call it the work of God. I'm suspicious since this is a state where the gays have just lost some "rights" that they wanted, and they are presently blaming Christians for that, so it seems like bad timing. I never once said or even implied that the group of Christians in the VIDEO did anything wrong. And I did specifically say that the gays in the video were exhibiting "evil, godless, disrespectful" behavior. Did you read that part of my post?????

That is all beside the point now. Are you assuming these people did not pray and fast? Hellow but the issue WAS...the one I responded to...is that we are NOT JUST to pray and fast, which is what was being suggested. I don't know what makes you think you needed to take me on here, but you are way off base.

Nope. Not assuming anything. I said several times that there wasn't enough info in the article to determine one way or the other. From all appearances, it APPEARS that the Christians were peaceful and the gays were acting like depraved idiots.

I don't know what YOU are referring to but what I am referring to is what THOSE gays were doing...SHAME ON YOU...Yes shame on the Christian for standing on the sidewalk and praying and singing songs. Those gays are calling the Christians evil for doing their good....and it seems some here are casting doubts on those Christians too...I didn't say you did.

Uh....ok...now you are in agreement with me....hmmmm

What's so surprising about that? My post wasn't framed as a total disagreement with you or refutation of everything you've said! My goodness, Prax. Why are you so heated? Not everything in my post was necessarily about the group in question, specifically. I was trying to bring out the point that many Christians HAVE been militant, in-your-face, offensive, and yes, UNChristian, and so they give even peaceful Christians a bad name in advance!!!

And by peaceful I DON'T mean weak or spineless.

Im not getting your point....you started off attacking me, end up sounding like you are in agreement and now I just don't get what you are doing...bored?

I attacked you? You call my post an attack on you? I think you have had a chip on your shoulder on this thread. You spouted off to Falla over nothing much at all. She just contributed her thoughts and you practically bit her head off.

Are YOU bored? Why else would you post on an internet forum, unless you have nothing better to do? I know I'm not on here unless I have free time...so yeah...pretty much anytime I'm online it's because I'm bored for the moment and I'm looking to entertain myself.

Call them whatever you want. I don't care. I take acception though with the idea we should not try to reach out to all sinners, including Homosexuals and that we should just hide in caves and pray instead.

Call who whatever I want? The people in the video? I wasn't calling them anything at all. Who said we shouldn't reach out to sinners? What makes you think ANYone who has posted on this thread believes we should exclude homosexuals from evangelism? Who said we should hide in caves and pray? I recall putting in a plug for Daniel somewhere on this thread.

So? What does THAT have to do with the topic? Again these guys were not rebuking anyone......sigh

*even BIGGER sigh*

PRAX...DUDE...I didn't say they WERE. LOL!!!! Try to get the big picture here. This is not just about the article/video you posted. 1. We're going to deal with this more and more 2. Christians have been militant and offensive in the recent past (THINK: Westboro Baptist Church for ONE), 3. Christians need to be evangelistic, but it needs to be led by God and not just their good motives, and 4. There is the recent political issue that is not lending a positive factor to this scenario.

More confusion...what does THAT have to do with this group? You know they were pharisees? When and where did they drag anyone anywhere? WHo is dragging sinners here? Please I have no idea what you are trying to accomplish here

Trying to accomplish? What are YOU trying to accomplish, other than spreading the word about something that concerns you? (And nothing wrong with that, btw) Obviously this wasn't a thread you intended to inspire discussion, THAT is very clear.

Christians in general, over the centuries, have sometimes taken a tact with sinners that is very UNChristlike, much like the Pharisees who brought the adulteress woman to Jesus hoping to see her judged, and ended up being shamed themselves, while she was offered a merciful hand. When we DO reach out to sinners, it shouldn't be to TARGET them, but to MINISTER to their needs. Jesus ALWAYS met the needs of the people He met, both physical and spiritual. He reserved His most crushing judgment and rebuke for hypocrites--not sinners. And my point in saying that was NOT to call the Christians in the video "hypocrites"--FAR from it. But rather to point out that when you reach out to people who are essentially damaged goods, you'd better have the gentle hands that Christ reserved for those who NEEDED a physician.

Furthermore, these people are sinners. Plain and simple. They need God. I do not expect them to behave as if they have Him. I'm not horribly shocked by their actions. Disappointed? Sure. A little frightened or disturbed by it? Maybe. But shocked? No.

[Falla39]

Originally Posted by Berkeley

Please don't ever talk like this again! I can't stomach this coming from you.

QUOTE=Berkeley;633675]this is only the beginning of what's to come...[/QUOTE]

Bro. Berkeley,

Your comment was what I was responding to.
Also some posts from other posters on another
thread was on my mind. Had a dental appt., Posted
and left. Came back a couple of hours later and a
cable on the other end of our street caused our phones
and internet to be down until today.

Falla39

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by MissBrattified

Huh? How did you get that out of my post?

MissBrattified...please go back a page or two. You will see that you responded to a post I made directed to someone other than you...you then called me obtuse. Perhaps you just did not get my point being made to someone else and for some reason took it personally.

I never said they were in anyone's face. Not once. In fact, I said from the video it appeared that they were peaceful. (Or something to that effect.)

Again, you were responding to a post that was not to you. Im addressing what others have been saying...which it seemed like you were defending and attacking me because you chose to take issue what my post...again a post that was not directed to you.

Prax, you should chill. I was trying to address the whole thread at once--not just YOUR post--even though I quoted it.

YOu didn't actually say that. You quoted me then said I was being obtuse...hmmmm. Think about it...you quoted me and replied to my words...how else would I think? You were addressing my post.

I read the article from beginning to end--twice--AND I watched the video. I never said they were doing ANY of those things. Did you even read my posts? We should reach ALL sinners--of course. I have just witnessed groups take political leanings and throw a religious twist to it, and call it the work of God. I'm suspicious since this is a state where the gays have just lost some "rights" that they wanted, and they are presently blaming Christians for that, so it seems like bad timing. I never once said or even implied that the group of Christians in the VIDEO did anything wrong. And I did specifically say that the gays in the video were exhibiting "evil, godless, disrespectful" behavior. Did you read that part of my post?????

The problem is you quoted my post which was making a specific point to someone else and started off with a pejorative...it sure seemed like you were disagreeing with me, not agreeing. That is what I am still confused over.

Nope. Not assuming anything. I said several times that there wasn't enough info in the article to determine one way or the other. From all appearances, it APPEARS that the Christians were peaceful and the gays were acting like depraved idiots.

Im sure that may be....but again my initial remarks were directed to someone else, based on what THEY said.

What's so surprising about that? My post wasn't framed as a total disagreement with you or refutation of everything you've said! My goodness, Prax. Why are you so heated? Not everything in my post was necessarily about the group in question, specifically. I was trying to bring out the point that many Christians HAVE been militant, in-your-face, offensive, and yes, UNChristian, and so they give even peaceful Christians a bad name in advance!!!

Uh....you called me obtuse? You argued with my post and by arguing with my post the conclusion seemed to be what it was I was redirecting at you...perhaps if you went back and see what I was initially addressing...the points the other poster made, you might understand it a little better.

And by peaceful I DON'T mean weak or spineless.

DO you realize that I was responding to someone that suggested we NOT go out and witness to people but instead just pray? I was trying to make a point directed to that, not to you personally.

I attacked you? You call my post an attack on you?

Your first words were directed AT me personally, yes...or are you just playing obtuse now?

I think you have had a chip on your shoulder on this thread.

Another personal attack

You spouted off to Falla over nothing much at all. She just contributed her thoughts and you practically bit her head off.

I also apologized, rather than defend my words to her.

Are YOU bored? Why else would you post on an internet forum, unless you have nothing better to do? I know I'm not on here unless I have free time...so yeah...pretty much anytime I'm online it's because I'm bored for the moment and I'm looking to entertain myself.

Maybe if you read what I was responding to then read the post that you quoted and called me obtuse, you'd see where I am coming from.

Call who whatever I want? The people in the video? I wasn't calling them anything at all. Who said we shouldn't reach out to sinners? What makes you think ANYone who has posted on this thread believes we should exclude homosexuals from evangelism? Who said we should hide in caves and pray? I recall putting in a plug for Daniel somewhere on this thread.

Again, it might be helpful if you read WHY I posted what I posted. You quoted my post which was directed what what someone else was saying...

PRAX...DUDE...I didn't say they WERE. LOL!!!! Try to get the big picture here. This is not just about the article/video you posted. 1. We're going to deal with this more and more 2. Christians have been militant and offensive in the recent past (THINK: Westboro Baptist Church for ONE), 3. Christians need to be evangelistic, but it needs to be led by God and not just their good motives, and 4. There is the recent political issue that is not lending a positive factor to this scenario.

Again, I was replying TO someone else, you quoted me and started "addressing" my words out of the context they were intended...based on what OTHERS in this forum were saying, not you. By doing that it seemed you were taking their side.

Trying to accomplish? What are YOU trying to accomplish, other than spreading the word about something that concerns you? (And nothing wrong with that, btw) Obviously this wasn't a thread you intended to inspire discussion, THAT is very clear

Another personal attack

Christians in general, over the centuries, have sometimes taken a tact with sinners that is very UNChristlike, much like the Pharisees who brought the adulteress woman to Jesus hoping to see her judged, and ended up being shamed themselves, while she was offered a merciful hand. When we DO reach out to sinners, it shouldn't be to TARGET them, but to MINISTER to their needs. Jesus ALWAYS met the needs of the people He met, both physical and spiritual. He reserved His most crushing judgment and rebuke for hypocrites--not sinners. And my point in saying that was NOT to call the Christians in the video "hypocrites"--FAR from it. But rather to point out that when you reach out to people who are essentially damaged goods, you'd better have the gentle hands that Christ reserved for those who NEEDED a physician.

I agree....but this really didn't have much to do with my original post...I think you misunderstood what my original post was intended to be about because you did not read what I was responding to.

Furt

hermore, these people are sinners. Plain and simple. They need God. I do not expect them to behave as if they have Him. I'm not horribly shocked by their actions. Disappointed? Sure. A little frightened or disturbed by it? Maybe. But shocked? No.

Yes exactly....now what I was responding to originally was what seemed to be an argument that we NOT witness to gays but just pray...did you make that argument or was it someone else I was responding to?

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

The article says they were praying in a "gay" district.



Why do Christians have to do that? Their prayers are just as effective at church or in a cell group setting. It's an "in your face" type deal just like picketing an abortion clinic.

I have never agreed with these methods and would never participate in such. They were asking for trouble with this group of people. As you have seen and already knew - they can become quite violent.

Hopefully, someday, we will learn there is power in prayer and we don't have to use "demonstration" to prove that God is on the throne.

That is my

Originally Posted by Praxeas

Why do they have to do that? As if the only places Christians gather to pray in public is in "gay districts"? So we are going to be bullied by the gays and the left into assembling for prayer and outreach in only NON gay areas???? Does anyone NOT see a problem with that?

We should learn there is power in prayer and not use demonstration? Oh if only Paul had thought of that, he never would have been stoned, he never would have been jailed, he never would have spent a night in the deep. What major screwups the Apostles were for not cowing in their little dark caves and just praying rather than going out in public to be a witness.

I only wish I had a quarter of the boldness those guys had...reminder: According to them they were not preaching against being gay.

Let's call good evil and evil good. Might as well if we are going to fault these guys for doing what they did and essentially saying "Good! they deserved that"

Originally Posted by MissBrattified

Prax, you're being deliberately obtuse for the sake of arguing the point. Do you really think they didn't deliberately choose that area BECAUSE of the gay presence? Because they felt that place probably needed prayer more than all the other places they could have gathered?



There is a major difference between being a witness and getting in people's faces about abortion and homosexuality in a demonstration/protest type setting.

I have seen some abortion rallies that were far from peaceful--OR Christian. I would have been ashamed to be part of them. Not because they were Christians, or because they were standing up for what they believed, but because they were NOT acting like Christians.

I don't believe we should hide in dark caves or be afraid to pray in public. I doubt if anyone else on this thread believes that either. I DO think that many people today are trying to see great moves of God without being full of POWER first. Remember when the disciples tried to cast out a demon and they couldn't? What did Jesus tell them? Some things only come through fasting and prayer. BEFORE you get into the situation.



I'm not calling those Christians evil. From the video it doesn't look they were holding a protest. The homosexuals were clearly exhibiting evil, godless, disrespectful behaviors. I'm sure that type of behavior will increase exponentially, especially when unchecked by law enforcement. However, I'm just saying that Christians should NOT engage in political protests or civil matters and slap a spirituality label on it, then expect God to pour out His blessings on their efforts. It's just not quite the right methodology.

One of the things I can't stand is when a person uses the nobility argument to whitewash what they've done, and wipe out any objections. Example: "I know I didn't do my job today, but that's because I was reading my Bible for two hours, and I had to finish the book of Romans before I went back to work."

Either you'd better be led of God and prepared to be fired for obeying Him, or you'd better submit to your employer and quit using spiritual labels for stupid behavior.

I'm not calling this group one way or the other. There aren't enough details. I'm just saying that we SHOULD obey God rather than men, we SHOULD be witnesses, but when we are witnesses, it had better be in the spirit of Christ, of the miraculous and with a large measure of the fruits of the spirit, or it doesn't have anything to do with God.

I don't remember Christ rebuking sinners. He rebuked hypocrites. He offered salvation and healing to sinners.

Sinners need a physician. They don't need a group of pharisees dragging them before God like the woman caught in adultery, asking Him to dole out the appropriate judgment. Christians should be careful with that kind of behavior, because they'll find themselves walking away in shame.

Your responses to my post seemed as though you were being personal by saying I was being obtuse, in which case I was not. I had a valid point. They are sinners too and they need to have someone be on their street just as other sinners do to. But my original words were NOT directed to what you said but to what someone else said and was about the notion of NOT going to those kinds of areas to witness to them, but just pray. That is wrong and no I never said we don't need to pray, but we DO need to go into those areas. We need to go into ALL areas for ALL sinners.

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

The article says they were praying in a "gay" district.



Why do Christians have to do that? Their prayers are just as effective at church or in a cell group setting. It's an "in your face" type deal just like picketing an abortion clinic.

I have never agreed with these methods and would never participate in such. They were asking for trouble with this group of people. As you have seen and already knew - they can become quite violent.

Hopefully, someday, we will learn there is power in prayer and we don't have to use "demonstration" to prove that God is on the throne.

That is my

Originally Posted by Praxeas

Why do they have to do that? As if the only places Christians gather to pray in public is in "gay districts"? So we are going to be bullied by the gays and the left into assembling for prayer and outreach in only NON gay areas???? Does anyone NOT see a problem with that?

We should learn there is power in prayer and not use demonstration? Oh if only Paul had thought of that, he never would have been stoned, he never would have been jailed, he never would have spent a night in the deep. What major screwups the Apostles were for not cowing in their little dark caves and just praying rather than going out in public to be a witness.

I only wish I had a quarter of the boldness those guys had...reminder: According to them they were not preaching against being gay.

Let's call good evil and evil good. Might as well if we are going to fault these guys for doing what they did and essentially saying "Good! they deserved that"

Originally Posted by MissBrattified

Prax, you're being deliberately obtuse for the sake of arguing the point. Do you really think they didn't deliberately choose that area BECAUSE of the gay presence? Because they felt that place probably needed prayer more than all the other places they could have gathered?



There is a major difference between being a witness and getting in people's faces about abortion and homosexuality in a demonstration/protest type setting.

I have seen some abortion rallies that were far from peaceful--OR Christian. I would have been ashamed to be part of them. Not because they were Christians, or because they were standing up for what they believed, but because they were NOT acting like Christians.

I don't believe we should hide in dark caves or be afraid to pray in public. I doubt if anyone else on this thread believes that either. I DO think that many people today are trying to see great moves of God without being full of POWER first. Remember when the disciples tried to cast out a demon and they couldn't? What did Jesus tell them? Some things only come through fasting and prayer. BEFORE you get into the situation.



I'm not calling those Christians evil. From the video it doesn't look they were holding a protest. The homosexuals were clearly exhibiting evil, godless, disrespectful behaviors. I'm sure that type of behavior will increase exponentially, especially when unchecked by law enforcement. However, I'm just saying that Christians should NOT engage in political protests or civil matters and slap a spirituality label on it, then expect God to pour out His blessings on their efforts. It's just not quite the right methodology.

One of the things I can't stand is when a person uses the nobility argument to whitewash what they've done, and wipe out any objections. Example: "I know I didn't do my job today, but that's because I was reading my Bible for two hours, and I had to finish the book of Romans before I went back to work."

Either you'd better be led of God and prepared to be fired for obeying Him, or you'd better submit to your employer and quit using spiritual labels for stupid behavior.

I'm not calling this group one way or the other. There aren't enough details. I'm just saying that we SHOULD obey God rather than men, we SHOULD be witnesses, but when we are witnesses, it had better be in the spirit of Christ, of the miraculous and with a large measure of the fruits of the spirit, or it doesn't have anything to do with God.

I don't remember Christ rebuking sinners. He rebuked hypocrites. He offered salvation and healing to sinners.

Sinners need a physician. They don't need a group of pharisees dragging them before God like the woman caught in adultery, asking Him to dole out the appropriate judgment. Christians should be careful with that kind of behavior, because they'll find themselves walking away in shame.

Your responses to my post seemed as though you were being personal by saying I was being obtuse, in which case I was not. I had a valid point. They are sinners too and they need to have someone be on their street just as other sinners do to. But my original words were NOT directed to what you said but to what someone else said and was about the notion of NOT going to those kinds of areas to witness to them, but just pray. That is wrong and no I never said we don't need to pray, but we DO need to go into those areas. We need to go into ALL areas for ALL sinners.

[Praxeas]

That girl does not sound like a Mormon.

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

Your responses to my post seemed as though you were being personal by saying I was being obtuse, in which case I was not. I had a valid point. They are sinners too and they need to have someone be on their street just as other sinners do to. But my original words were NOT directed to what you said but to what someone else said and was about the notion of NOT going to those kinds of areas to witness to them, but just pray. That is wrong and no I never said we don't need to pray, but we DO need to go into those areas. We need to go into ALL areas for ALL sinners.

Don't include my post in this, Buddy! I never criticized anything you said. I just voiced my opinion.

You can't say, "I am right and you are wrong." You have to say, "In my opinion." Try to type that and see how it fits.

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

Don't include my post in this, Buddy! I never criticized anything you said. I just voiced my opinion.

You can't say, "I am right and you are wrong." You have to say, "In my opinion." Try to type that and see how it fits.

No Im not saying you criticized me. Im just saying the post she quoted was in response to something you said. I think she might have been reading my posts "in a vacuum" as it were