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Originally Posted by rgcraig
He can speak for himself, but I believe you misread what he's saying.
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Fine, tell me what I misread then. I'm listening.
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Originally Posted by Pressing-On
TRFrance,
I didn't get the impression that Pianoman was talking about not having a "spirit filled" church. I agree that people are tired of routine.
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Yes, I understand that part. I know he wasnt talking about having a non-sprit filled church. Maybe you missed the central point I was trying to make.
This is the part I took issue with the most:
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"Spirit filled" Christians have as many divorces as other Christians. They aren't anymore effective in witnessing than other Christians. They have the same retention problems as other Christians. etc, etc."
As one who grew up in that kind of enviornment, and had friends acquaintances, and family members who were deep in that type of environment, I take issue with the [unprovable] contentions that "we"
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have as many divorces, (I've heard this often, but where are the statistics? are there any? )
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arent any more effective in witnessing than they are, (interesting , since many/most of the non-spirit filled folks I knew didnt even witness)
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have the same retention problems as they do (every church has retention problems... but what statistics are there that say it's as much of a problem in Pentecostal churches than non-Pentecostal?)
My whole thing is, despite the problems in Pentecostal environments, we're nowhere near in as bad a shape as the non-spirit-filled church world. As one who's familiar with both worlds, I know it's not even close. I just don't think there's any need to paint an overly dramatic, extra-bleak picture of how things are.
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