Will you join the UPC NOW ???? - Page 6

Hawkman · #51 01-02-2009, 10:25 AM

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Originally Posted by scotty

You want a retraction ? Earn one.

Elaborate on your post. Don't just stand there and point a mocking finger or an "in your face" post. Elaborate. I started this thread asking honest questions as a mature individual. Those who have come here in good spirit and expressed their hearts have recieved my respect. You came here and threw up a one line "in your face" comment and then "demand a retraction" of the same ? No Sir, earn it ! Be a blessing for a change instead of part of the problem. Everyone else here has.

Fine. 1 I did not post to you. it was in response to another's comment. They appreciated my post. next you come and accuse me of being a hater when there was none in it. i thojught name calling was not allowed here.

scotty · #52 01-02-2009, 10:25 AM

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Originally Posted by ManOfWord

So true! But the org represents a body of ideas and philosophies as a whole. That is the problem. I don't know if it can ever shake that. There are some mighty fine Christian leaders in it whom I respect highly. However, most people outside the UPC don't get warm fuzzies from its reputation. That is just the reality. I hope it changes and I know some are trying really hard, but again, the odds are against it happening.

True, I realize this and your right on.... and you said what I am wanting to say to everyone... hold on to the mighty fine Christian leaders and let the reputation go. And we are trying really hard, and I tell myself that no matter what some here say, that behind closed doors they are really praying for the success of us who are leading the way..

ManOfWord · #53 01-02-2009, 10:30 AM

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Originally Posted by scotty

True, I realize this and your right on.... and you said what I am wanting to say to everyone... hold on to the mighty fine Christian leaders and let the reputation go. And we are trying really hard, and I tell myself that no matter what some here say, that behind closed doors they are really praying for the success of us who are leading the way..

I do pray and hope for success but I just don't have time to deal with it or wait for it. I can work unhindered and unfettered being independent. It has taken years to even shed the org's reputation we had while in the org here in this city even in the midst of good leaders. It will take decades for the org's reputation to change as a whole since it didn't happen over night. Sorry, that is just the reality of it, IMO.

scotty · #54 01-02-2009, 10:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Hawkman

Fine. 1 I did not post to you. it was in response to another's comment. They appreciated my post. next you come and accuse me of being a hater when there was none in it. i thojught name calling was not allowed here.

From the mouth is the heart. I call it like I see it, or you type it. I will retract when you give me a reason to.

Once again, I ask for maturity. The thread was started to be a mature discussion, not a childish party for ex-UPCers to jump around in glee yelling "we are free, we are free". In league sports that draws a penalty for unsportsman like conduct. If you want to start a "happy, happy, joy, joy" party thread then go for it. Otherwise, post something that can bless us with discussion or move on.

scotty · #55 01-02-2009, 10:39 AM

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Originally Posted by ManOfWord

I do pray and hope for success but I just don't have time to deal with it or wait for it. I can work unhindered and unfettered being independent. It has taken years to even shed the org's reputation we had while in the org here in this city even in the midst of good leaders. It will take decades for the org's reputation to change as a whole since it didn't happen over night. Sorry, that is just the reality of it, IMO.

I don't ask anyone to set their life aside for it, just the acknowledgment that there are people here and not just reputation.. You have done that, which adds to the respect for you. Thank you Bro.

Sept5SavedTeen · #56 01-02-2009, 10:43 AM

I'd rather have JESUS... Than anything, the U-P-C- affords today...

The UPC would have to turn independent, biblical and start working towards the goal of the glorious church (which for the UPC would mean it's disbanding!).

-Bro. Alex

scotty · #57 01-02-2009, 10:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Sept5SavedTeen

I'd rather have JESUS... Than anything, the U-P-C- affords today...

The UPC would have to turn independent, biblical and start working towards the goal of the glorious church (which for the UPC would mean it's disbanding!).

-Bro. Alex

But now your the opposite of others here, correct ? I apologize, I did not anticipate you responding. But you would require the UPC become much more conservative in its beliefs, right ?

Pressing-On · #58 01-02-2009, 10:46 AM

Happy New Year, Scotty!!!!!!!

jaxfam6 · #59 01-02-2009, 10:48 AM

You know Scotty I really understand where you are coming from. I think though that most forget that how they may have been treated by some people is not how all would treat them. I have watched over the years and seen people leave a church or group and the way they were treated was horrific. There is no reason to treat someone terrible because they leave your church or group. Unless of course they cause trouble, which I have also seen. Then we should always take the high road. Let the problem be with them. Never treat others who leave with disrespect. If they are the ones who are wrong let them hang themselves. No need for us to tie the knot.
I know how the group my father and brother was with treated them. My father left and my brother took over and they treated my brother like he was the guilty party. Then when my brother's wife left him after many years of having an affair they abandonded him completely. There is a bad habit among MANY groups to kill what is down rather than do what they should and help them up. My brother's problem was not that he commited sin but that his wife had and he did not know about it till she left him. He loved her, he trusted her, he did not want to think his wife could be sleeping around. When he found out and she left he had no one to talk to, no one to help comfort him. He was left to sink or swim.

Those kind of hurts run deep and cause lots of hard feelings. I have many friends still in that group but I will not go back to one of their churches. I love my friends and pray ever day that they never become like the ones who treated my brother the way they did. The problem is that when you are around certain types you tend to start thinking and acting like those you hang out with.

scotty · #60 01-02-2009, 10:53 AM

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Originally Posted by jaxfam6

You know Scotty I really understand where you are coming from. I think though that most forget that how they may have been treated by some people is not how all would treat them. I have watched over the years and seen people leave a church or group and the way they were treated was horrific. There is no reason to treat someone terrible because they leave your church or group. Unless of course they cause trouble, which I have also seen. Then we should always take the high road. Let the problem be with them. Never treat others who leave with disrespect. If they are the ones who are wrong let them hang themselves. No need for us to tie the knot.
I know how the group my father and brother was with treated them. My father left and my brother took over and they treated my brother like he was the guilty party. Then when my brother's wife left him after many years of having an affair they abandonded him completely. There is a bad habit among MANY groups to kill what is down rather than do what they should and help them up. My brother's problem was not that he commited sin but that his wife had and he did not know about it till she left him. He loved her, he trusted her, he did not want to think his wife could be sleeping around. When he found out and she left he had no one to talk to, no one to help comfort him. He was left to sink or swim.

Those kind of hurts run deep and cause lots of hard feelings. I have many friends still in that group but I will not go back to one of their churches. I love my friends and pray ever day that they never become like the ones who treated my brother the way they did. The problem is that when you are around certain types you tend to start thinking and acting like those you hang out with.

I can understand this, its not right, but I can understand.