UPC Driving the Women Away?

[Rhoni]

Originally Posted by Stephen Hoover

There is often a case made (here and otherwise) that the UPC is chasing away or at least repelling that half of humanity known as the female sex. I remember when Robert Sabin was doing his public remake, that he made the case as well.

So here is my question; If we are, in fact, repelling the females, and in turn denying them the message of Christ and him crucified, then why are there such a disproportionate amount of women in the UPC pews?

I could never understand this. Furthermore, it is my observation that many women will testify how they are drawn to a simpler lifestyle at least somewhat apart of the trappings of style and fashion.

This leads me to question the charge of the UPC repelling women.

What do you think??

PS
This is not a standards thread! Please take your pro/con arguments elsewhere.

It can't be contained to UPCI. The Apostolic culture itself tends to be repelling due to false teachings on submission, women in leadership, and obedience.

Blessings,
Rhoni

[Hoovie]

Originally Posted by Rhoni

It can't be contained to UPCI. The Apostolic culture itself tends to be repelling due to false teachings on submission, women in leadership, and obedience.

Blessings,
Rhoni

Well that's interesting... I mention the charges of women leaving the UPC seems to lack evidence since there are more women than men, and you say this?

[Hoovie]

Originally Posted by ChTatum

Different train of thought, but I believe there are certain personality types that are drawn to a strict mode of living,they NEED the standards, perhaps for validation or identity.

I agree, both men and women.

[Hoovie]

Originally Posted by Esther

What do you base that thought on?

Oh... something less than scientific evidence.

I just seems it's often the females in the church that embrace the more conservative dress standards with gusto. They tend to be the ones who show up with the kids if one adult is staying home.

[ChTatum]

Originally Posted by Stephen Hoover

I agree, both men and women.

Very true. Some excel in the military and others feel bound....

Stupid humanity.....we need a cookie-cutter image to embrace and feel worth.

[Junia]

I enjoy reading your post and thought that I would jump in with mine. I have had the Holy Ghost for almost 36 years and I receive the Holy Ghost in a UPC. The church that I received the Holy Ghost in has come down on the standard. I went to another church that went overboard with a standard, but I did what the preacher said. I wore long sleeves, long dresses, didn't cut my hair, got rid of my wedding rings, got the TV out of the housel, and then the preacher told a lie on me. So I left that church. But you know there was something about the sacrifice that I made, God seemed to have bless me more during that time. May be that is what is wrong with many church folks, they do not make sacrifices, you know being a living sacrifice, holy and acceptable unto Him, which is our reasonable service. So I found out in my 36 years the more you sacrifice, God rewards you more with his blessings.

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Stephen Hoover

There is often a case made (here and otherwise) that the UPC is chasing away or at least repelling that half of humanity known as the female sex. I remember when Robert Sabin was doing his public remake, that he made the case as well.

So here is my question; If we are, in fact, repelling the females, and in turn denying them the message of Christ and him crucified, then why are there such a disproportionate amount of women in the UPC pews?

I could never understand this. Furthermore, it is my observation that many women will testify how they are drawn to a simpler lifestyle at least somewhat apart of the trappings of style and fashion.

This leads me to question the charge of the UPC repelling women.

What do you think??

PS
This is not a standards thread! Please take your pro/con arguments elsewhere.

This is the case in most if not all churches. More women than men

[Hoovie]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

This is the case in most if not all churches. More women than men

REALLY?? So perhaps the UPC is pretty much status quo when it comes to sexism or their lack of it.

Call off the conspiracy theorists folks!

[Endlessbliss]

Stephen:

I find it interesting in your initial post on this thread you said this was not about standards and pro/con arguments should be taken else where. It seems that's almost all people are posting about.

Are you asking why are there more women in Pentecost/UPCI? If that is your question it does apply across the board not only to Pentecost but other churches as well. I think in most cases men tend to "follow " their wives to church instead of leading. This is unfortunate but does seem to be the norm for our society.

Any other thoughts that are not pro/con related?

[Hoovie]

Originally Posted by Endlessbliss

Stephen:

I find it interesting in your initial post on this thread you said this was not about standards and pro/con arguments should be taken else where. It seems that's almost all people are posting about.

Are you asking why are there more women in Pentecost/UPCI? If that is your question it does apply across the board not only to Pentecost but other churches as well. I think in most cases men tend to "follow " their wives to church instead of leading. This is unfortunate but does seem to be the norm for our society.

Any other thoughts that are not pro/con related?

Yeah, any thread any time can get bogged down with the virtues of/bashing of standards... that is why I tried to direct.

I acknowledge there are more women in conservative OP churches than men, and know in this regard they are like most churches in America.

I really just wanted to point out the irony of the supposed alienation and exodus of women from the UPC, while we can see the obvious facts of there being more women than men - not less.

I recall one who left the UPC telling the media he was issuing an apology to half of the community (females) for not being effective in reaching them. At that time I remember wondering what the male/female ratio was in his church.

Perhaps it's the MEN that get hammered?

Maybe it's time to read a few chapters from "Why Men Hate Church" from the pulpits?