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Originally Posted by Aquila
Actually the commentaries are quite consistent on this issue… look it up yourself. Commentaries differ on theological points, but this is a widely known and researched historical and cultural practice. Not to mention that the language is rather straight forward if allowed to read for what it actually says. Paul asks them to “Judge in yourselves: is it comely that a woman pray to God uncovered?” This directly calls upon their cultural inclinations and convictions.
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Well what does it mean to judge in yourselves. Did he say look at your culture? Judge in yourselves could be several meanings.
1) Considering context he is speaking about his next argument from NATURE not culture. It's a leading statement of inclusion of thought to judge with common sense his next points!
1Co 11:13 Judge for yourselves: is it proper for a wife to pray to God with her head uncovered?
Co 11:14 Does not nature itself teach you that if a man wears long hair it is a disgrace for him,
1Co 11:15 but if a woman has long hair, it is her glory? For her hair is given to her for a covering.
Sorry but you are reading into the text something that is not there!
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He doesn’t ask them to “Judge in the scripture…” he asks them their own thoughts on the matter, shaped by their cultural customs. As for veiling, it was customary and isn’t today, this is a modesty standard like a no facial hair standard. Just as Paul’s standard applied then but doesn’t apply today… our facial hair standards didn’t apply then but do apply today. It’s cultural. Nowhere does Paul say that a covering is a sign “to the angels”, you’re reading that into the text.
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In part I am, do to previous context and the basic reasoning for usage of the veil due to Paul reasoning in teh chapter. It is a sign or symbol. This is a biblical constant! God uses parallels and always has. Per my point on baptism etc...
Are not symbols used as a sign?
1Co 11:10 That is why a woman ought to have a
symbol of authority on her head, because of the angels.
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Also, nowhere does the Bible indicate that angels expect anything when operating in response to God’s command or prayer. Angels act as God directs according to the believer’s faith. The issue was modesty. The women were being immodest and rebelling against their husband’s demand that they be veiled. The issue isn’t the veil... its submission.
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Adding rhetoric to the clear meaning of the text does not change the context nor the direct teaching of the text! Yes, submission is "part" of the context but the prime teaching is having a
symbol of authority due to creation because of the angels etc...
1Co 11:10 That is why a woman ought to have a
symbol of authority on her head, because of the angels.
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I think you just want to lay another standard on the women so you can brag about how “holy” you are. In this situation I’m fully confident that Paul would write US and admonish us to put away the veil and end our spiritual pride.
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No, it's called biblical truth and as I said before God uses parallels of the Spiritual and physical. The veil is that symbol!
Also all your points are not in the text but have to be read into the text to make it temporary while Paul uses creation as his reason which is lasting not temporary. Your appeal simply to local custom is not supported by the text but Paul realizing and teaching something that in "part" is new to the body due to the realization of being in the body of Christ!
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