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Aquila · #**231** 02-03-2009, 08:42 AM

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Originally Posted by LUKE2447

sorry but God did create culture within the children of Israel. God's laws brought culture as now does the Spirit continue that culture and mindset of life. Sure we don't have many things to read about before Israel but that does not negate what is taught and we do know.

The beauty of Christianity is that it is so dynamic it thrives in any culture and any century.

We're not like Islam where in order to thrive we have to subjugate existing culture.

LUKE2447 · #**232** 02-03-2009, 08:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Aquila

Bro, I never got a straight yes or no answer from you. Are women who choose not to wear a veil in sin? Yes or no? It's a pretty straight and forward question bro.

My response to are we lost....

http://apostolicfriendsforum.com/sho...915#post687915

If a person knows to do good and doeth it not it is sin. In ignorance I cannot judge. Even then do I believe it is sin unto death? No!

To shame your head and Christ is not love! To not love is to break law and thus it is sin. To do it intentionlly is a deeper issue than a veil.

LUKE2447 · #**233** 02-03-2009, 08:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Aquila

The beauty of Christianity is that it is so dynamic it thrives in any culture and any century.

We're not like Islam where in order to thrive we have to subjugate existing culture.

I would have to disagree. We do change culture if you teach true Christianity!!

*AQuietPlace* · #**234** 02-03-2009, 08:56 AM

If veiling was not just a cultural thing, but something GOD expected, then why is it not written as a command elsewhere in scripture? Why isn't it in the law of Moses? When God made Adam and Eve garments in the Garden of Eden, why didn't he make them both robes, and make Eve a veil? If it was required of a woman, wouldn't it have mentioned it right then?

SOUNWORTHY · #**235** 02-03-2009, 08:57 AM

I think David Barnard in not suggesting change but reaffirming what we as Apostolic's have always believed.

Aquila · #**236** 02-03-2009, 09:01 AM

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Originally Posted by LUKE2447

My response to are we lost....

http://apostolicfriendsforum.com/sho...915#post687915

If a person knows to do good and doeth it not it is sin. In ignorance I cannot judge. Even then do I believe it is sin unto death? No!

To shame your head and Christ is not love! To not love is break law and thus it is sin. To do it intentionally is a deeper issue than a veil.

Bro, if you sincerely believe that women should wear a veil on their heads that’s entirely up to you. I sincerely do not see that in Scripture. I believe Paul is addressing some very specific issues and setting some very specific first century issues in order. The eternal principle is submission and modesty, the veil was just the first century catalyst bringing these issues to light for Paul’s address.

I used to be a second covering believer. For me it was an evolution. I was saved in a church that believed in long, uncut, magic hair. Our pastor would have the women take their hair down for “spiritual warfare”. It was strange. I began researching the subject and transferred my hair dogma to the covering, because the text was obviously talking about a covering. However, additional prayer and study opened my heart to see the complexity of the passage and liberated it to express eternal principles not laws and outward requirements. I sincerely believe that if one soul is lost due to the “holy magic hair” doctrine or the “holy magic covering” doctrine there will be a serious price to pay. When the Judaizers began demanding that Christians observe various aspects of the Law Paul went as far as to say that he wished that those doing so were altogether “cut off”. The bondage of legalism is a satanic snare that will reap a heavy price in eternity. If you’re sincere, I pray you’re right and I’m wrong. Because by our own words this isn’t a sin unto death. However, legalism and religious bondage is strongly denounced in Scripture.

revrandy · #**237** 02-03-2009, 09:03 AM

Aquila · #**238** 02-03-2009, 09:05 AM

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Originally Posted by *AQuietPlace*

If veiling was not just a cultural thing, but something GOD expected, then why is it not written as a command elsewhere in scripture? Why isn't it in the law of Moses? When God made Adam and Eve garments in the Garden of Eden, why didn't he make them both robes, and make Eve a veil? If it was required of a woman, wouldn't it have mentioned it right then?

This is a standard that men don't have to bare themselves... most men have no issue forcing women into a first century mold. This is how religion often abuses women. I know... I used to believe in the second covering and my wife abided by my wishes until the Lord began to deal with me. Afterwards I learned how she really felt about it. I had to repent for bringing her under authoritarian and legalistic bondage.

LUKE2447 · #**239** 02-03-2009, 09:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Aquila

Bro, if you sincerely believe that women should wear a veil on their heads that’s entirely up to you. I sincerely do not see that in Scripture. I believe Paul is addressing some very specific issues and setting some very specific first century issues in order. The eternal principle is submission and modesty, the veil was just the first century catalyst bringing these issues to light for Paul’s address.

I used to be a second covering believer. For me it was an evolution. I was saved in a church that believed in long, uncut, magic hair. Our pastor would have the women take their hair down for “spiritual warfare”. It was strange. I began researching the subject and transferred my hair dogma to the covering, because the text was obviously talking about a covering. However, additional prayer and study opened my heart to see the complexity of the passage and liberated it to express eternal principles not laws and outward requirements. I sincerely believe that if one soul is lost due to the “holy magic hair” doctrine or the “holy magic covering” doctrine there will be a serious price to pay. When the Judaizers began demanding that Christians observe various aspects of the Law Paul went as far as to say that he wished that those doing so were altogether “cut off”. The bondage of legalism is a satanic snare that will reap a heavy price in eternity. If you’re sincere, I pray you’re right and I’m wrong. Because by our own words this isn’t a sin unto death. However, legalism and religious bondage is strongly denounced in Scripture.

Who is teaching holy magic covering? Seriously you need to stop the insulting! Then Paul is a legalist!

Aquila · #**240** 02-03-2009, 09:06 AM

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Originally Posted by LUKE2447

Who is teaching holy magic covering? Seriously you need to stop the insulting!

Bro, I don't mean to be insulting... but you've transfered a lot of the beliefs held by those who believe in Holy Magic Hair to the veil. It's "Holy Magic Covering" doctrine. It is what it is. In all humility I admit, I did this too when I embraced the teaching.