Why are some x-UPCers so set on bashing the UPC???

[Barb]

Originally Posted by Felicity

Look .......... the TRUTH of the matter is this .........

I've done the same thing in the past. I was never unkind but have walked past men and women who had left the UPC with just a smile and a nod of the head.

One of my friends who was raised UPC later on dropped the standards that I was still holding at that time, and I remember talking with her in the mall one evening and asking her how she could do what she did. Didn't she feel convicted? How could she let down like that.

I know how it goes. I know how it works. That's why I can't be too judgmental toward others who felt the same about me after I "changed".

There are reasons why people do the things they do and act the way they act.

I'm just thankful to know that many of the people I fellowshipped with when we were UPC still think about me and ask about me and love me.

A good friend of yours just asked me about you yesterday as a matter of fact...

[Truly Blessed]

When there is conflict in a district and some ministers have chosen to leave the organization, it is only to be expected that some preachers who plan to remain within the organization will distance themselves from those who have left. You would be suspect concerning your loyalties if you were fellowshipping with those who have already left. It's the nature of organizational politics.

[tbpew]

Originally Posted by Truly Blessed

When there is conflict in a district and some ministers have chosen to leave the organization, it is only to be expected that some preachers who plan to remain within the organization will distance themselves from those who have left. You would be suspect concerning your loyalties if you were fellowshipping with those who have already left. It's the nature of organizational politics.

Your post would seem to make it a man-2-man issue NOT any kind of application of scriptures to "mark them that cause division among you and have no fellowship with such" kinda thing.

do you believe that those who engage these kind of tactics are doing so in an attempt to obey scripture?

[Barb]

Originally Posted by tbpew

Your post would seem to make it a man-2-man issue NOT any kind of application of scriptures to "mark them that cause division among you and have no fellowship with such" kinda thing.

do you believe that those who engage these kind of tactics are doing so in an attempt to obey scripture?

What makes you assume that because one withdraws from an organization that they are causing division?!

[tbpew]

Originally Posted by Barb

What makes you assume that because one withdraws from an organization that they are causing division?!

you're kidding right Barb?
that's what you heard in my reply to TB?

sorry, I hope TB does not.

btw,
I can not think of any BETTER remedy for NOT causing division then simply choosing to withdraw from offical member-minister dues paying fellowship.

[Barb]

Originally Posted by tbpew

you're kidding right Barb?
that's what you heard in my reply to TB?

sorry, I hope TB does not.

btw,
I can not think of any BETTER remedy for NOT causing division then simply choosing to withdraw from offical member-minister dues paying fellowship.

No, I'm not kidding...I apologize if my reading comprehension is off today, but that's the way it came off to me.

Sorry...

[Neck]

Originally Posted by Malvaro

• Why are some folks so set on heckling/bashing the very organization they willingly chose to walk away from?
• Why aren't they content knowing they never have to set foot in the doors of a UPC church again?
• Why do they keep beating the drum of the same arguments and complaints, months and yet sometimes years after they left?

Don't they have anything better to do with their time?

Just curious....

Malvaro,

Sometimes if you do not want to hear an opinion.

The don't ask the question.

It is not like every x-UPC'r is looking to slam the organization or a person.

Many are pushed to answer questions.

Then some may not like the answer.

It is not the UPC anyone is pushing back on or at.

It is a stance against a viewpoint....

SOmetimes the CON's need to understand the distinction.

[Malvaro]

Originally Posted by Neckstadt

Malvaro,

Sometimes if you do not want to hear an opinion.

The don't ask the question.

It is not like every x-UPC'r is looking to slam the organization or a person.

Many are pushed to answer questions.

Then some may not like the answer.

It is not the UPC anyone is pushing back on or at.

It is a stance against a viewpoint....

SOmetimes the CON's need to understand the distinction.

I guess thats why I said "some folks".... if you don't want to answer, then don't.... noone's forcing you....

[Truly Blessed]

Originally Posted by tbpew

Your post would seem to make it a man-2-man issue NOT any kind of application of scriptures to "mark them that cause division among you and have no fellowship with such" kinda thing.

do you believe that those who engage these kind of tactics are doing so in an attempt to obey scripture?

I think on one level some believe that they are simply obeying Scripture, while for others it is a more personal thing. They simply feel betrayed by those who would choose to no longer belong to their organization. Some people aren't able to distinguish one taking a stand for their own beliefs and principles from taking a stand against them, and so they interpret leaving as a personal rejection of themself.

[Malvaro]