Cosmetics???

[Truthseeker]

Originally Posted by TRFrance

OK. and you take this verse to mean what?
(Let's forget for a moment what "many" other people use this scripture for.)
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My view? Pretty simple.

What are you doing, you devastated one?
Why dress yourself in scarlet
and put on jewels of gold?
Why color your eyes with paint?
You adorn yourself in vain.
Your lovers despise you;
they seek your life. (Jer 4:30 NIV)

God was not saying that it was a sin for her (Israel) to beautify herself. He said she was doing it in vain, because even after she beaufified herself for her lovers (other nations and their gods), they still rejected her... and Israel would face the wrath, with no-one to help her. That is what that verse, and that chapter, is about.

Using vain adornments will not sway her lovers, I got that.

[*AQuietPlace*]

Originally Posted by Truthseeker

Jer 4:30

30 And when thou art spoiled, what wilt thou do? Though thou clothest thyself with crimson, though thou deckest thee with ornaments of gold, though thou rentest thy face with painting, in vain shalt thou make thyself fair; thy lovers will despise thee, they will seek thy life.
KJV


Many use this scripture as well. "in vain make thyself fair"

He didn't say that it was wrong for them to make themselves fair, just that it wouldn't do them any good.

[TRFrance]

Originally Posted by Truthseeker

Don't care for high heels myself, they don't look comely, IMO. But I see your point, just because it says jezebel painted her face doesn't mean it's sin.

Bingo.

...which is why I originally said that the biblical basis for preaching/teaching against makeup is very weak --- actually, it's non-existent.

Frankly, I think there are many preachers today who recognize that, but are afraid to offend those who would think they're "removing the old landmarks". However, I think our loyalty needs to be toward the Word of God, not to man's traditions.

[CAD/JPY]

Originally Posted by TRFrance

Bingo.

...which is why I originally said that the biblical basis for preaching/teaching against makeup is very weak --- actually, it's non-existent.

Frankly, I think there are many preachers today who recognize that, but are afraid to offend those who would think they're "removing the old landmarks". However, I think our loyalty needs to be toward the Word of God, not to man's traditions.

AMMMEEENN!! Very well said....

I will add that most of my peers (preachers/pastors under 40) are struggling with that same issue... How do we stay loyal to our apostolic forefathers, mentors, Bible teachers, and parents YET DISOWN traditions that are in conflict with the Word of God?

I believe that God is challenging us to reaffirm ourselves to HIM! How we do that, will be unique for each person.

[TRFrance]

Originally Posted by CAD/JPY

AMMMEEENN!! Very well said....

I will add that most of my peers (preachers/pastors under 40) are struggling with that same issue... How do we stay loyal to our apostolic forefathers, mentors, Bible teachers, and parents YET DISOWN traditions that are in conflict with the Word of God?

I believe that God is challenging us to reaffirm ourselves to HIM! How we do that, will be unique for each person.

Well, it'll certainly take moral courage, boldness perhaps, and a conviction that we have to be loyal to the word of God, even if it makes us unpopular with man. These men have to develop the conviction that doing what's right by God and his people is more important than personal popularity and/or denominatioal or district politics etc. The OT prophets were willing jeopardize their lives for the cause of their message. We need a generation of preachers who are willing to risk their popularity or even ministry/career ambitions to do what they believe is right.

I believe some of these extra layers of tradition have simply done more harm than good over these past decades. Living a victorious, overcoming life in this world is challenging enough in itself; we dont need to make stuff more difficult for people (especially for new believers) by adding extra layers of non-biblical rules.

These types of things just serve as hindrances to revival.

[rgcraig]

Originally Posted by CAD/JPY

AMMMEEENN!! Very well said....

I will add that most of my peers (preachers/pastors under 40) are struggling with that same issue... How do we stay loyal to our apostolic forefathers, mentors, Bible teachers, and parents YET DISOWN traditions that are in conflict with the Word of God?

I believe that God is challenging us to reaffirm ourselves to HIM! How we do that, will be unique for each person.

Originally Posted by TRFrance

Well, it'll certainly take moral courage, boldness perhaps, and a conviction that we have to be loyal to the word of God, even if it makes us unpopular with man. These men have to develop the conviction that doing what's right by God and his people is more important than personal popularity and/or denominatioal or district politics etc. The OT prophets were willing jeopardize their lives for the cause of their message. We need a generation of preachers who are willing to risk their popularity or even ministry/career ambitions to do what they believe is right.

I believe some of these extra layers of tradition have simply done more harm than good over these past decades. Living a victorious, overcoming life in this world is challenging enough in itself; we dont need to make stuff more difficult for people (especially for new believers) by adding extra layers of non-biblical rules.

These types of things just serve as hindrances to revival.

Two great posts!

[Fiyahstarter]

Originally Posted by TRFrance

Well, it'll certainly take moral courage, boldness perhaps, and a conviction that we have to be loyal to the word of God, even if it makes us unpopular with man. These men have to develop the conviction that doing what's right by God and his people is more important than personal popularity and/or denominatioal or district politics etc. The OT prophets were willing jeopardize their lives for the cause of their message. We need a generation of preachers who are willing to risk their popularity or even ministry/career ambitions to do what they believe is right.

I believe some of these extra layers of tradition have simply done more harm than good over these past decades. Living a victorious, overcoming life in this world is challenging enough in itself; we dont need to make stuff more difficult for people (especially for new believers) by adding extra layers of non-biblical rules.

These types of things just serve as hindrances to revival.

POST OF THE MONTH!!!

Put it in neon lights and flash around the globe!!

[rgcraig]

Originally Posted by Truthseeker

Ok folks I've doing a little research on what the bible says about makeup and such. This not let's fight over standards thread, I just want others input ont he subject.

Let me start it off.

Isa 3:16

16 Moreover the LORD saith, Because the daughters of Zion are haughty, and walk with stretched forth necks and wanton eyes, walking and mincing as they go, and making a tinkling with their feet:
KJV

Isa 3:16
This fashion seems to have prevailed very generally among the Eastern people in ancient times; and they retain the very same to this day.
(from Adam Clarke's Commentary, Electronic Database. Copyright © 1996, 2003 by Biblesoft, Inc. All rights reserved.)

Since it seems that "this fashion seems to have prevailed" among the Eastern people maybe this scripture is about the women being HAUGHTY.

[Truthseeker]

Originally Posted by rgcraig

Since it seems that "this fashion seems to have prevailed" among the Eastern people maybe this scripture is about the women being HAUGHTY.

True, but it does appear the rest of the things listed are not being looked upon with favor:

Because the daughters of Zion are haughty, and walk with stretched forth necks and wanton eyes, walking and mincing as they go, and making a tinkling with their feet:


In your opinion waht is wanton eyes? some say painting them. i do know women have can influence a man with her eyes.

[*AQuietPlace*]

Originally Posted by Truthseeker

True, but it does appear the rest of the things listed are not being looked upon with favor:

Because the daughters of Zion are haughty, and walk with stretched forth necks and wanton eyes, walking and mincing as they go, and making a tinkling with their feet:


In your opinion waht is wanton eyes? some say painting them. i do know women have can influence a man with her eyes.

Here's how the ESV translates it:

Isaiah 3:16
The LORD said: Because the daughters of Zion are haughty and walk with outstretched necks, glancing wantonly with their eyes, mincing along as they go, tinkling with their feet,