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Old 04-10-2007, 08:19 PM
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Speaking of ones betterment is not bashing UPC.

If you are speaking of the Good of UPC, it's not bashing the ex-upc.



I do not like some UPC preachers, But I do not dis-like them all.
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Old 04-11-2007, 07:01 AM
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Speaking of ones betterment is not bashing UPC.

If you are speaking of the Good of UPC, it's not bashing the ex-upc.



I do not like some UPC preachers, But I do not dis-like them all.
Would that be because you don't know them all???
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Old 04-11-2007, 11:36 AM
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  • Why are some folks so set on heckling/bashing the very organization they willingly chose to walk away from?
  • Why aren't they content knowing they never have to set foot in the doors of a UPC church again?
  • Why do they keep beating the drum of the same arguments and complaints, months and yet sometimes years after they left?

Don't they have anything better to do with their time?

Just curious....
Ok... I have grown up in UPCI. Have attended churches that were UPCI but pastor gave it to Independent church to pastor. I have seen Charismatic Churches and all aspects between. I currently hold to the "standards" that UPC holds and have no intentions of changing that.
My husband and I have left ONENESS Churches to go to other ONENESS Churches because we just didn't feel like we fit in with the vision of that pastor. Not that we didn't agree with his standards or have much respect for him just he was a frustrated prophet/preacher and that is a dangerous place to sit under. Out of respect for his ministry we removed ourselves before God struck the whole lot of them dead lol We had no sin in our lives we were living just as we always had believed just as we always had. Nothing changed in our lives as far as our ministry went or or "Revelation of God"


We still hear rumors and are asked questions about that time.
We have been asked if we are still separating our milk dishes from our meat???
We have been asked if we were re-baptized in the trinity
We were accused of not believing Jesus was risen or crucified.
We were accused of um mm being too flirty? lol

I was actually told by a preachers wife if I shake one mans hand make sure to shake three womens hands before I shake another mans hand.

We left a church once and the pastor told us if you move to another town or state you can leave but if you dint you can not leave. When we decided to leave anyways... that is when the rumors started flying
Because if you leave a church that means one thing ... your wrong or they are.
That isn't always the truth. Sometimes it is but sometimes your visions are different.
Why do people rail on the church. Well from my experience weather you leave truth for truth or truth for another truth... you leave. And when you leave you branded .. cause either your wrong or there wrong.

I agree we're taught we're right... being UPCI. I grew up in a small church and basically was taught the big church across town was wrong. Our church is the best church in the world and you can only be saved here. Both UPCI Churches but one allowed short sleeves and pin and the things that were WORLDLY LOL. Basically were taught if you don't look like or believe just like us no matter what org your in your not saved. We teach what our pastor preaches and not what the bible teaches. We don't study to show ourselves approved we foolishly believe what is being taught. For some of us were lucky to have grown up in the truth because if not we could be sacrificing to idols.

I have been to churches where it was a sin to wear a watch and in others you could wear a watch but no gold. and others only if you have a leather band. Churches where you could wear suspenders but no belt buckles. OH MY no open toed shoes .. "toe cleavage" Even to a church where you couldn't wear a bow in your hair or a dress that was red. OK guys am I making the Churches you left seem easy to live in Its crazy the things we call "truth" but by God if you leave it then you are lost for sure.... this is the reason people rail on the UPCI cause it is the truth they know... and when they see that it isn't all it claims to be.... that alot of it is a man's teaching... they are shuned..labeled and dis fellowshipped.

And every time you run up the street you see those people who have prayed and fasted and done fund raisers with you and they look down on you and treat you as if you had some sort of disease. Alot of times by instruction of the leadership.

You shall know them by their love one to another.

so why should that bug you? Well someone has bugs eating on there fruit... cause your sure not seeing that love one to another. If were so backslidden and lost as you think we are shouldn't you try to help me... love me... and show me more of God? But unfortunately most of the time your head is pushed further under water till you stop fighting and just quit trying and just go under hoping someone will be there to take the brick off you head and help you up. Sad part.. if your brother/sister hadn't put that brick there and held it fast you would of been fine. And now you need a new breath of life.
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Old 04-11-2007, 11:44 AM
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Ok... I have grown up in UPCI. Have attended churches that were UPCI but pastor gave it to Independent church to pastor. I have seen Charismatic Churches and all aspects between. I currently hold to the "standards" that UPC holds and have no intentions of changing that.
My husband and I have left ONENESS Churches to go to other ONENESS Churches because we just didn't feel like we fit in with the vision of that pastor.
Awesome post. You know what has never ceased to amaze me is the continuity in experiences like this.

I do not know you, I don't know what church, what city or what pastors you have encountered. The amazing fact is that SOOO many unacquainted people could give this exact experience and they are tied together by the same organization.

This is a tremendous example of how and why I believe soooo strongly that above many other things, the UPC/A-church has a reigning culture that enforces, encourages, and even gives credence to some of their doctrines.

The problem? Well, maybe it could be that the disunity could be solved by the church actually admitting to themselves that there is something wrong with their culture but they would have to admit first they even HAVE a religious culture.
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Old 04-11-2007, 11:50 AM
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Awesome post. You know what has never ceased to amaze me is the continuity in experiences like this.
I do not know you, I don't know what church, what city or what pastors you have encountered. The amazing fact is that SOOO many unacquainted people could give this exact experience and they are tied together by the same organization.

This is a tremendous example of how and why I believe soooo strongly that above many other things, the UPC/A-church has a reigning culture that enforces, encourages, and even gives credence to some of their doctrines.

The problem? Well, maybe it could be that the disunity could be solved by the church actually admitting to themselves that there is something wrong with their culture but they would have to admit first they even HAVE a religious culture.
Man, I think we've been away from all this for so long, you tend to forget some of the craziness that exists! Thank the Lord we didn't have anything quite like this stuff in our years of experience. Most of our experiences were positive and productive.
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Old 04-11-2007, 11:56 AM
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.....and Darty, that's not bashing - that's just some of the crazy truth out there!
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Old 04-11-2007, 11:59 AM
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Good grief.
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Old 04-11-2007, 12:56 PM
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Good grief.
LOL
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Old 04-11-2007, 01:07 PM
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.....and Darty, that's not bashing - that's just some of the crazy truth out there!
RG... and I had to cut it short.. oh if I had all the time to just let things roll out of my head that I know... It is amazing the things we have been through in our ministry for the LORD! lol Sometimes I really understand the song the kids signed the other day I am crucified with Christ and yet I live.

I don't seek to bash any org or belief but do really understand that we are all so far from where we should be. There are things I have been taught as truths all my life that as an adult I look at and say ...thats not right lol. Its crazy the things we hold as heaven or hell issues and how quickly we judge and send folks to hell over things that are not even issues at all. I love the truth I have and am so ashamed of the thought of the truth I thought I had and found out it was a bag full of holes. I pray I am an example of HIM and fear that great response set before me... to teach my children the truth and how to truly walk with Him and be like Him. The hardest part is once you see truth... how do you deal with the church and there conceptions of truth. I told my husband once it would be so much easier to live what I believe if we moved far away from family an friends... and how they think I should do, say and act. Church is suppose to be a place of freedom peace joy and love... and I just don't see it much anymore. I go because I'm suppose I live like I do because that is what I am suppose to do and I act like I do because I am just me
Although if we moved away and changed things in our lives I wouldn't change the way I look or act but there would be some changes....that would spin the heads of those who know me well
Just find it hard to call things sin that I use to call sin so easily and to label folks sinners that have more of God working in there lives then 95% of the folks sitting on the pew with me.
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Old 04-11-2007, 01:13 PM
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I promise I wont write such long post all the time.. there is so much I want to say an so little time to bore you
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