You Be The Judge: Anderson Vs Burk

[Steve Epley]

Originally Posted by TK Burk

HAHAHAHA!!!!!

You cannot bring yourself to admit those scriptures are not there can you?!?!

Eld. Epley, so you do NOT believe the pre-trib rapture? You do not believe there will be a seven year agreement between the Jews and "the antichrist"? You do not believe there is a gap between Daniels 69th and 70th Weeks? Are you sure you're prepared to admit that over the internet??

I do believe in a pre-trib rapture and have said so many times on the internet.
I do believe there is one week of prophecy remaining which the 70th week of Daniel's prophecy and the time alloted in Revelation.
I have said that over and over however you list 6 things I and purported to believe and I have NOT stated I believed all six on the internet nor in person.

[TK Burk]

Originally Posted by shag

If I have this right, after reading your article, the tongues will cease (the bible does say cease, which we all know means stop) , or no longer be needed, after we all move into "perfection"?

Please post your explaination, either or both of you, in particular about the tongues ceasing.



I do believe the 'face to face" in context, is speaking of reflection, its an unclear reflection now, but then we'll see and know ourselvesus as God knows us. (Not face to face, our face seeing his face, MHO)

That is NOT what I wrote. Please, read it again.

[TK Burk]

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

Boy that takes alot of imagination.

Where was that perfect saint produced that no longer needed to speak in tongues?

Thayer's says ' the perfect state of things that is ushered in by the return of Christ.'
What about 1Cor. 1:8???????????????????

Eld. Epley, no one that I know in AFP has ever taught there would be a place of perfection where the Holy Ghost would no longer be needed. If you had read my study you would have seen that I made that plain. However, YOU are the one who has a day coming when the Holy Ghost would no longer be available. That is what YOU teach, not AFPs.

Concerning your bias against maturity in Jesus, would you please explain the meaning of these passages?

(Joh 14:26) But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.

(Joh 16:13) Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will show you things to come.

[Steve Epley]

Originally Posted by TK Burk

Eld. Epley, no one that I know in AFP has ever taught there would be a place of perfection where the Holy Ghost would no longer be needed. If you had read my study you would have seen that I made that plain. However, YOU are the one who has a day coming when the Holy Ghost would no longer be available. That is what YOU teach, not AFPs.

Concerning your bias against maturity in Jesus, would you please explain the meaning of these passages?

(Joh 14:26) But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.

(Joh 16:13) Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will show you things to come.

Does your maturity in Jesus include tongues CEASING??????????????
Supernatural knowledge vanishing away??????? Prophecy failing?????

That happens when that which is perfect comes they have served their purpose thus the part becomes fulfilled in the perfect.
Also 1Cor. 1:8????????????????

[TK Burk]

Originally Posted by Jason

That is outrageous-speaking in tongues used as a measuring stick for christian maturity??????? That is quite the opposite from what we read in the Bible, and specifically in 1 Corinthians. Sounds like FP bobbing and weaving to me.

Jason, would you please explain the purpose of the Holy Ghost?

[TK Burk]

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

Does your maturity in Jesus include tongues CEASING??????????????

Nope! Again, if you had read my study you'd of seen that.

Eld. Epley, does your Dispensational belief include the Holy Ghost someday CEASING?????????????? You know you do teach that therefore YOU are a cessationalist!

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

Supernatural knowledge vanishing away??????? Prophecy failing?????

Nope! Again, if you had read my study you'd of seen that.

Eld. Epley, does your Dispensational belief include Supernatural knowledge vanishing away??????? Prophecy failing????? You know you do teach that therefore YOU are a cessationalist!

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

That happens when that which is perfect comes they have served their purpose thus the part becomes fulfilled in the perfect.
Also 1Cor. 1:8????????????????

Eld. Epley, after they, as you say, "served their purpose," you have them vanishing away. Does your Dispensational belief teach there will be people left on earth after that time occurs? Does your Dispensational belief teach that those people can still receive salvation? So far you know the answer to these is "YES." Therefore, your Dispensational belief teaches there will be ANOTHER GOSPEL. That is what YOU believe. Another gospel is something we know for sure is heretical (see Gal 1:6-7)!

[Steve Epley]

Originally Posted by TK Burk

Nope! Again, if you had read my study you'd of seen that.

Eld. Epley, does your Dispensational belief include the Holy Ghost someday CEASING?????????????? You know you do teach that therefore YOU are a cessationalist!



Nope! Again, if you had read my study you'd of seen that.

Eld. Epley, does your Dispensational belief include Supernatural knowledge vanishing away??????? Prophecy failing????? You know you do teach that therefore YOU are a cessationalist!



Eld. Epley, after they, as you say, "served their purpose," you have them vanishing away. Does your Dispensational belief teach there will be people left on earth after that time occurs? Does your Dispensational belief teach that those people can still receive salvation? So far you know the answer to these is "YES." Therefore, your Dispensational belief teaches there will be ANOTHER GOSPEL. That is what YOU believe. Another gospel is something we know for sure is heretical (see Gal 1:6-7)!

I confess I did NOT read your study why don't you give us the condensed version?
I am a cessationist as Paul was he taught tongues WOULD CEASE! And the duration of the gifts were until the coming of the Lord. 1Cor. 1:8

[shag]

Originally Posted by TK Burk

That is NOT what I wrote. Please, read it again.

My bad TK. You know me well enough to know that was not intentional. I'll read it again till I understand exactly what you are meaning.

[TK Burk]

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

I do believe in a pre-trib rapture and have said so many times on the internet.

Great, then give the scriptures that literally say this will occur.

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

I do believe there is one week of prophecy remaining which the 70th week of Daniel's prophecy and the time alloted in Revelation.

Great, then give the scripture that literally mentions the gap between the 69th and 70th weeks of Daniel.

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

I have said that over and over however you list 6 things I and purported to believe and I have NOT stated I believed all six on the internet nor in person.

And I showed where you MUST belive these and asked you to explain otherwise if you disagreed. Here is where I did this:

Originally Posted by TK Burk

Considering all you’ve said in the past, I have a hard time seeing how you do not believe these. But in effort not to misrepresent you, please explain the following:

1. God delayed His Kingdom because the Jews rejected Jesus.

* If you do not believe this then please explain why there is a gap between Daniel’s 69th and 70th weeks.

4. God will require the building of a physical third Jewish Temple.

* If you do not believe God will require this rebuilt temple, why then is it an “abomination” for “the antichrist” to “cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease”? (Dan 9:27)

5. An Antichrist will make a 7-year covenant with the Jews.

* If you do not believe this then please explain what you believe about the seven year covenant mentioned in Daniel 9:27.

I look forward to you giving the scriptures that clearly say what you believe about these three questions.



So, dear reader, do you think Bro. Epley will answer any of these? Time will tell….

You've never responded to these, and I doubt you ever will....

Also look HERE and HERE.

[TK Burk]

Originally Posted by shag

My bad TK. You know me well enough to know that was not intentional. I'll read it again till I understand exactly what you are meaning.

That is what I figured. Thanks Shag!